• Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    I would be more surprised if 12% of “tech workers” know what Linux is at all.

    Fwiw: I work in a call center as basically a more knowledgeable tech for our client facing team to rely on for help and only about 1% of them have any familiarity with Linux in the slightest.

    I wonder about the framing of this question, like another comment mentioned, it’s kinda like evolution where MacOS and Linux have a common ancestor, I could see the wording throwing people off.

    “Is MacOS based on linux” seems to be the wording used?

    I’d bet less would fall for, “Is MacOS a Linux distribution?”

    Edit: Ha some people in the comments had similar thoughts, in addition to Linux and Unix being nearly synonymous to all but those who are very into that kind of thing.

    Edit again, if anyone else is curious https://youtu.be/jowCUo_UGts

  • penquin@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    Lmfao. My fucking lead was arguing with me the other day how Linux is Unix. I just said ok after I saw that it was going nowhere.

        • rmrvf@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          2 months ago

          What would you say determines whether a kernel is a Unix kernel? I believe Linux is as much a Unix kernel as the BSD kernel is, the FreeBSD kernel, the AIX kernel, the System V kernel, etc.

          • penquin@lemm.ee
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            2 months ago
            1. Code base. It has no relation whatsoever to anything unix. You know the ATT bell labs unix. Unix kernels descend directly from that, Linux doesn’t. It was written by this genuine man named Linus lol
            2. Unix trademark certification that is maintained by the “open group”. Linux is not a certified unix, even though it is POSIX compliant.
            3. POSIX compliance. Linux is POSIX complaint, but that’s just how it behaves in terms of APIs and system calls. POSIX complaince doesn’t make a system “unix”. Linux is not derived from unix at all, its code is its own code, it behaves like unix, but it is not unix. MacOS, BSD and other unix systems are derived from Unix (I know MacOS has taken its own way now, but still, it came from a Unix code base).
              Tldr; Linux is not unix because it does not descend from AT&T Unix or BSD and it is not UNIX-certified.
  • gnuhaut@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Oh it’s infamous racist Bryan Lunduke. Is there no rule against posting that guy?

      • deathbird@mander.xyz
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        2 months ago

        He can’t chudpost every time, but I’ve listened to him talk with an open mind before and in my opinion his occasional insights are overshadowed by his self-important whinging.

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Ahhh give him a break he probably just forgot. If it helps, I’m sure he was thinking something horrible about somebody reasonably nice. /s

      • gnuhaut@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        He’s an anti-woke crusader and bigot. A large chunk (probably most) of his “content” is actually about that.

        CW all sorts of bigotry

        “Best Alternatives to Woke Software”, “Devuan: The Non-Woke Debian Linux Fork”, lots of shit like that.

        He loves talking about so-called “reverse racism”, he thinks white people are oppressed in US tech.

        Here’s a recent one:

        https://lunduke.substack.com/p/meta-ending-del-ending-fact-checking

        They [Meta] are allowing criticism of LGTBQ+blublublub issues, including *snicker* the statement that gay people are mentally ill […] and they’re allowing vaccine skepticism on the platform […] and it is, I’m not gonna lie, mildly hilarious.

          • Classy@sh.itjust.works
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            2 months ago

            I mean the dude is literally Jewish and pro Israeli, it isn’t even surprising he would have an L take like that

        • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          2 months ago

          doesnt a free and open source operating system fit the definition of “actively attentive to important societal facts and issues” where the issue in question is not having control of your machine?

          By its nature isn’t Linux technically woke?

        • a baby duck@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          Wow. I thought a couple of his old Linux Sucks talks were kind of funny, but never knew anything about him personally. Kind of sad to learn he’s an asshole.

      • Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social
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        2 months ago

        I don’t have a list of specific instances on hand. But he was kind of a contrarian voice for a while that I listened to over a decade ago, but in 2016 went in the more anti-woke (anti-CRT in terms of the time) and very reactionary culture war turn.

      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Just check his video titles.

        Even without it, that snark face he uses for the thumbnails are a very big tell.

  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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    2 months ago

    macOS is UNIX, certified UNIX actually.

    But I mean, if someone had the merest impression of macOS and was very familiar with Linux and never bothered to look any further then I’d understand. Maybe they only played around with macOS a little and saw the terminal app had bash and most all the familiar tools as on Linux. It’s not hard to see why they might’ve thought it’s Linux based.

      • Cousin Mose@lemmy.hogru.ch
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        2 months ago

        It is now, but it was bash before.

        But in any case once you start doing anything remotely advanced you’ll find the individual command line utilities are wildly different between macOS and Linux. They seem (are?) much closer to FreeBSD than GNU utilities.

          • Cousin Mose@lemmy.hogru.ch
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            2 months ago

            Look I love GPL to death but I’m not going to pretend that every OS vendor on the planet needs to give away everything for free.

            You can like two things at once, and in my case I love my walled garden, commercial OS for end-user stuff as well as Linux for networking gear and servers. I used desktop Linux for awhile but at the end of the day I like things like Airdrop, AirPlay and the seamlessness of it all.

            Honestly, I like BSD operating systems more so than Linux ones despite the licensing arrangements. Linux is open as hell (obviously) but it’s super disorganized. I haven’t found a package manager I like as much as pkg (especially installing binary packages and compiled from source packages side by side with shared libraries).

            Looking forward to being downvoted to hell for having a differing view of Linux than all the recent Windows converts.

        • False@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          Yeah, it’s always fun to find out that a standard looking util on osx actually requires weird args and syntax.

          • Cousin Mose@lemmy.hogru.ch
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            2 months ago

            I’m mostly used to it now. Though -r is supported in macOS’ rm command I still prefer -R and use it even on Linux where I believe -r is the preferred argument.

    • Dragonstaff@leminal.spaceEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I think 10% of people believe nearly anything. It’s basically the rounding error for a survey.

      Honestly, if you had asked me 10 minutes ago “Is MacOS based on Linux?” I would have gotten it wrong. But if you asked “Is MacOS based on UNIX or Linux?” I would have gotten it right.

    • Matriks404@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      macOS is a certified UNIX, sure, but according to some 2002 specification, and if you modify your system in such matter that it will be in nearly broken state.

  • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    2 months ago

    They share some inspiration. Same with Linux/Unix confusion.

    About 15 minutes in a terminal trying to do Linux’y things are you get completely disillusioned.