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I think they’re implying this mostly hit Hezbollah members, not than none of the victims were innocent.
Based on… what exactly?
The clear implication is that “number of Hezbollah member > victims = no innocent victims.”
And then you instantly jump into defending genocide. Holy fucking shit I honestly can’t communicate with words how disgustingly pathetic I find that.
No, I’m not gonna engage with your whataboutism and start arguing with you about how “Hezbollah deserved this absolutely pathetic terrorist attack.”
“Brought it on himself brought it on himself”
You fuckers still haven’t realised that Hammurabi’s law makes the whole world blind, huh? That was almost 4000 years ago, ffs. Read a book, preferably a modern one and not some tome of propaganda from thousands of years ago.
You’re literally defending the death of a 9-year old girl. You have to be sick in the fucking head to do that. Honestly.
Bud Hezzbollah ordered 3,000 pagers for it’s members specifically because they were moving away from cell phones.
How much more targeted do you want? I remember my first war.
“How much more targeted”
Than indiscriminate bomb attacks at population centers?
VERY much more targeted. This is no more accurate than looking at a phone book for addresses that people who may or may not have been associated with Hezbollah at some point and then bombing those apartment buildings, not caring who else lives there.
There are rules about war. Rules which you clearly have no idea of. No matter how despicable a terrorist organisation is, it doesn’t mean it’s morally okay for you to stoop to theirs fucking level.
Israel is a member of the UN, and has promised to obey these international laws as a part of the global community. If they want to say “fuck you we’re allowed to kill however many civilians we happen to fucking kill with whatever flimsy excuse we may have”, then soon Israel won’t be a respected member of the global community, but another shitty terrorist state that everyone despises.
Is that what Israel said? No.
98% of Gaza is still alive after one year of all this indiscriminate bombing and genocide.
There’s a very obvious reason why the civilian death toll and Gaza is so high and it’s because that is the strategy of Hamas, to purposefully raise that number. They have literally no other leverage then to try and get as many people as possible killed while the elite Gazan’s hide underground, and run to the ICJ and claim war crimes. Remember that first week of airstrikes last October, when Hamas launched a social media campaign to convince people that the evacuation warnings and airstrike warnings were a hoax?
Look how well it is working on you. Why are you siding with the view taken by Iran, Qatar, Malaysia, Turkey, Jordan, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Islamic State, all of them led by far right nationalists, dictators and monarchs, against the view taken by America, Canada, Australia, Japan, and France? That’s not a red flag to you that maybe your moral compass has led you astray?
Maybe you’re right, and you think the west should abandon Israel. You think they’re just going to let their flawed democracy be taken over by insane religious fascists from Iran? No. Israel will turn Iran into a sheet of glass before they let Iranian soldiers March into Jerusalem. Tens of millions of people will die.
How sad are you going to be when Middle East states start attacking Israel and the resulting humanitarian and refugee crisis results in 50,000 people dying by lunch time, day in day out, for months or years?
I bet you’ll be so sad that you won’t even be able to post TikToks about it.
98% of Gaza is still alive after one year of all this indiscriminate bombing and genocide.
Are you on crack?
Oh wait no, you’re smoking Israeli propaganda, even worse than being the worst of crack whores.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war
As of 8 September 2024, over 42,000 people (40,972 Palestinian[1] and 1,478 Israeli[13]) have been reported as killed in the Israel–Hamas war, including 116 journalists according to the Committee to Protect Journalists (111 Palestinian, 2 Israeli and 3 Lebanese)[14], 134 journalists and media workers according to the International Federation of Journalists (127 Palestinian, 4 Israeli and 3 Lebanese)[15] and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, including 179 employees of UNRWA.[
Israel is a pos coward nation committing a genocide on defenseless women and children. I can’t imagine anything more despicable and pathetic.
But you already knew this, since you’ve studied international law in… “law school”. (:DDDD)
Maybe you’re right, and you think the west should abandon Israel.
Honestly, our basic school system informed us more of international laws than your “law school” apparently did you. :D Not how the UN works, my brainwashed friend.
Then you spam a bit more whataboutism to excuse genocide. “No you don’t understand, we have to genocide these people because they looked at us funny, so we’re allowed to break international law”
Cmon mister “I-read-international-law-in-law-school”
What was the name of your school?? :DDD
You have a bunch of random sentences strung together. You haven’t even attempted to refute a single thing I said and apparently cannot do basic math. You’re at the peak of Mount Stupid looking down when you should be looking up.
You’re like a bad text-bot based on some really shitty Reddit sub.
I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised to learn you’re a teenager.
Your lies about having studied international law at “law school” are beyond ridiculous.
The way you speak of international law shows you know about as much about it as a 3-year old playing kitchen does about actual cooking.
Here, again.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule12
The 24th International Conference of the Red Cross in 1981 urged parties to armed conflicts in general “not to use methods and means of warfare that cannot be directed against specific military targets and whose effects cannot be limited”
Further evidence of the customary nature of the definition of indiscriminate attacks in both international and non-international armed conflicts can be found in the jurisprudence of the International Court of Justice and of the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia. In its advisory opinion in the Nuclear Weapons case, the International Court of Justice stated that the prohibition of weapons that are incapable of distinguishing between civilian and military targets constitutes an “intransgressible” principle of customary international law. This definition of indiscriminate attacks represents an implementation of the principle of distinction and of international humanitarian law in general. Rule 12(a) is an application of the prohibition on directing attacks against civilians (see Rule 1) and the prohibition on directing attacks against civilian objects (see Rule 7), which are applicable in both international and non-international armed conflicts. Rule 12(b) is also an application of the prohibition on directing attacks against civilians or against civilian objects (see Rules 1 and 7). The prohibition of weapons which are by nature indiscriminate (see Rule 71), which is applicable in both international and non-international armed conflicts, is based on the definition of indiscriminate attacks contained in Rule 12(b). Lastly, Rule 12© is based on the logical argument that means or methods of warfare whose effects cannot be limited as required by international humanitarian law should be prohibited.
Can bombs going off in market places and other civilian locations be limited in that way? NO.
Does Israel breaking the humanitarian laws they’ve agreed to as a member of the UN mean Israel just “gets abandoned”. Hmm… how does it work in your society when someone does a crime? Are they just… “abandoned”? Or is there perhaps some sort of a system that deals justice based on the severity of the crime? (Having to write this is exactly what I mean about how ridiculous it is of you to lie that you have any training in law, let alone “law school” :D)
https://theintercept.com/2024/09/19/israel-pager-walkie-talkie-attack-lebanon-war-crimes/
Israel keeps doing crimes against humanity and you keep defending them. Like a brownshirt from the 30’s. Eww.
And you should read Popper’s Paradox of Tolerance.
Eye for an eye makes the world go blind only works when one party doesn’t exist solely to exterminate another.
That’s what Hezbollah is.
I have never defended genociders - you on the other hand keep defending Hezbollah.
The world needs to deal with Hezbollah the same way it needs to deal with Zionism and the same way it eventually dealt with the Nazis.
Tell me dumbass, do you think Netanyahu and co. will stop his campaign on Gaza if everyone decided not to retaliate? Or would he just order his men to take advantage of the situation and shoot them down? Do you think the Nazis or any other group, such as Hezbollah, intent on genocide would accept peace?
Of course ideally such corrupt evil fucks could be eliminated with no innocent casualties. But that’s unfortunately not the way the world works. Do you think innocent casualties didn’t occur when other fascist evils were fought? You think only military personnel were killed in WW2?
You’re either a naïve kid, or have thought up of miracle solution like a death note.
This was a case of monsters fighting monsters; we’re lucky that this at least was an actual very precise strike one monster did to the others, rather than their usual M.O. of just striking buildings with missiles.
You’re seriously saying “they deserve the ‘eye-for-an-eye’ treatment” while Israel is actively escalating the conflict?
I have never defended genociders
Oh okay. So where have I done that? In assuming that 3000 civilians who were harmed weren’t exclusively Hezbollah? Which would be an utterly ridiculous claim seeing how many literal children there are involved.
So… you’ve never defended genociders. Then let’s see if you will. Is Israel committing a genocide in Gaza?
You think only military personnel were killed in WW2?
I’ve actually been in the military and have had training on what is and isn’t legal to do in armed conflict. Have you?
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule12
Rule 12. Definition of Indiscriminate Attacks
Rule 12. Indiscriminate attacks are those: (a) which are not directed at a specific military objective;
(b) which employ a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective; or
© which employ a method or means of combat the effects of which cannot be limited as required by international humanitarian law; and consequently, in each such case, are of a nature to strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction.
They limited the attacks by replacing the pagers ordered by Hezzbollah, not the pagers ordered by anyone.
Are you dense?
Perhaps you didn’t read the entire passage?
“Which cannot be limited as required by international humanitarian law”
Or perhaps you don’t know what those requirements are, because you don’t care?
These can’t. They had no way of limiting or even knowing where and whom the bombs would be around when they exploded.
You’re talking out of your ass. By sending bombs only in pagers marked for Hezzbollah, as opposed to pagers to be sold generally in Lebanon, they were limited as required.
You’re talking out of your ass.
pagers marked for Hamas
I’m not the one “talking out of my ass” so bad I get Hamas and Hezbollah confused.
I linked the international law. This attack breaks those laws.
“as required”
Aha, hmm, and what exactly are those requirements? (I know you’ve no idea, but I’ll settle for you even looking them up and reading them even for trying to still defend Israel, because that’ll still mean you’ll at least have read them)
You have no clue what you’re talking about. You’re a real life Dunning Kruger curve.
I learned International law in law school and in my profession of decades, not from Googling links and pretending to be an expert.
I’m not going to call you an anti-semite for these bullshit arguments you read online because I know it’s just that you’re ignorant, but the reason many people would is because you are applying a heightened standard of law to Israel but not anywhere else, you are holding Israel to a standard that you do not apply to Iran and the violent pan-Islamist nationalists that it backs on all sides of Israel, and are willing to defend it when pan-Islamists do mass shootings and mass kidnappings of civilians, which is their new thing, ever since suicide bombings became faux pas.
Sure you did, bubba, sure you did.
You’re not just random internet kid with a cringe username who gets Hezbollah and Hamas confused and kicks off a tantrum. Nope, youre definitely not that.
You’re an expert in international law!
You did just call me an antisemite. You implied it. I think you might have to look that word up as well, despite your extensive training in “law school”.
I’m holding Israel to international laws they’ve agreed on, as a member of the United Nations.
The the rest of your comment is more shitty whataboutism.
Which country’s military? Because I’m more than willing to bet your country has killed innocents too, even if by accident. Depending on the country, like the USA, deliberately killing them too. Congratulations on choosing to actively participating in that horridness I suppose.
Is Israel committing a genocide in Gaza?
I see you weren’t the reading comprehension guy in the military. But since you need it directly spelled out for your crayon eating ass to understand - yes, the Israeli government is committing genocide. You know who else is trying their hand at Genocide? Hezbollah.
But hey, while we have ‘holier than thou’ ex-military on the line, how about a bit of a trolley problem for you:
If you could dispose of Netanyahu along with the top heads of his genocidal campaign, at the cost of 10 children, would you? And just to make it even easier on you, let’s add that doing so will end Israel’s current war and genocide campaign too.
Which country’s military? Because I’m more than willing to bet your country has killed innocents too, even if by accident
Finland. Go ahead and dig dirt. We have such a cruel and bloody history and we never do what we say or listen to laws. /S
I see you weren’t the reading comprehension guy in the military. But since you need it directly spelled out for your crayon eating ass to understand - yes, the Israeli government is committing genocide
You don’t seem to understand what reading comprehension is, nor understand the existence of people who absolutely refuse to admit to Israel’s warcrimes. Like the war crime they committed with this indiscriminate bombing, which can’t be limited as international law requires.
International law is international law. And Israel is breaking it.
Edit oh and I’m not **ex-**military until I’m 60. Also, I was the company’s quartermaster, which very much is a reading job for the most part.
Finland. Go ahead and dig dirt. We have such a cruel and bloody history and we never do what we say or listen to laws.
Finnish Civil war of 1918. No country is without sin. That’s not even getting into the Jaeger unit issues that existed in WW2 and the soldiers who kept working and then later joined the Nazis even afterwards.
Btw, why didn’t you answer the trolley problem, coward? Because those are the kind of situations that can arise in conflict.
“No country is without sin” *mentions a civil war*
Wow, yeah, having struggled for our independence more than 100 years ago is what you’re going with with this whataboutism, when we’re discussing WAR CRIMES?
Wow what a great argument, definitely showed me my place, yeah. /S
Why didn’t I answer your garbage attempt at rhetoric? Because you’re ignoring actual international law to defend Israel’s despicable attack on civilians. Something my country has NEVER done.
War is war, civil or not. I also mentioned WW2 since Finland did ally with the Nazis.
No, I’m giving you a moral dilemma to show you your own hypocrisy. Injuring thousands of Hezbollah members will save lives too - these are the people firing missiles at civilians as well (unless you’re saying every Israeli is guilty, in which that says a lot more about how ducked up you are if true).
Hence I gave you a similar scenario. Because if the tables were turned - if someone managed to explode Netanyahu and co’s phones and kill him, you’d probably be cheering even if children died, because it would mean a genocidal war would be halted.
You prefer the few rather than the greater good. And that always leads to more death rather than less. And quite frankly, makes you a shit military member to boot. Because it means if Russia did attack Finland, you’d prefer Putin alive if the opening for taking him out would kill a few innocents - even though letting him live would mean many more dying.
None of this exonerates Israel btw - an evil accidentally doing a net good doesn’t stop that evil from being evil. But Hezbollah taking such a heavy hit with very few bystander casualties is a best case scenario, because the alternative - doing nothing - would have eventually led to more deaths.
War isn’t war crimes.
Youre ignoring actual international law and think your 12th grade philosophy rhetoric is some fucking gotcha?
War isn’t war crimes. I shouldn’t have even engaged with this shitty whataboutism, but it’s so laughable this is honestly entertaining. “War is war”. Weirdly we’ve never had to resort to bombing civilians? The only thing you can manage to find is “you had a civil war and you got support from Germany (before having a war with them), thus you’re just as morally bad as anyone who voluntarily massacre children, like Israel.”
We weren’t allies with Germany. You think that can’t be true, since you know WWII history. But what you don’t realise is you don’t understand that like warcrimes, “ally” also has a definition. We were not allies with Nazis, we we’re cobelligerents. Until we had to have a war with the fuckers cause they weren’t happy with us not being in thrall to them. The fuckers burned Lappland.
if someone managed to explode Netanyahu and co’s phones and kill him, you’d probably be cheering even if children died, because it would mean a genocidal war would be halted.
I don’t have anything better to do rn, so I might as well. This is absolutely moronic. No, I wouldn’t be fucking cheering at anyone’s death, and Netanyahu dying wouldn’t even realistically stop the genocides, because why the fuck would it? Do you think he’s the sole person pushing everyone else to do something they loathe? You haven’t heard the “we’re fighting human animals” from Israel’s defense minister?
War is allowed. War crimes are not. How is this hard for you to understand? And how is it you honestly still cling to your, “every country has blood on their hands” and comparing mother fucking Finland to Israel, trying to equate them because we fought for our independence literally more than a century ago, and did no war crimes in the process.
How is that even remotely comparable to sending off bombs to be exploded in population centers with children?
Like how fucked up do you have to be to even be able to think that?
Naive kid.
