The mother of a woman whose body was paraded through the streets by Hamas has pleaded for help finding her daughter.
A video showing German tattoo artist Shani Louk on the back of a pickup truck circulated on social media after the Palestinian militant group Hamas attacked Israel on October 7.
Louk had been attending an outdoor “Festival for Peace” party near Kibbutz Urim when the area was targeted. First, rockets were launched, then gunmen and appeared and shot into the crowd, CNN reported. Party attendees told the outlet people immediately started to flee, passing dead bodies on the ground as they tried to escape the massacre.
The attack and resulting conflict has left hundreds of Israelis and Palestinians dead, with Israel’s prime minister declaring war.
A video of a young woman with dreadlocks on the back of a pickup truck and surrounded by Hamas soldiers started circulating on social media shortly after the attack. In it, she appears stripped to her underwear, and her legs are bent at unnatural angles, while one soldier grabs her hair. People are also seen spitting on her body.
But Reddit and Lemmy keep telling me Hamas are the oppressed good guys! /S
There are no good guys in this story.
I am yes to see that on Lemmy in the way you describe /: seems like everyone agrees that killing civilians is wrong, including when Israel does it.
The entire situation is fubar. I feel for the citizens of both Israel and Palestine as both countries are just horrible to each other. To me it feels like there is no good side, whatever you choose, you end up with one form of evil x.x
I wish there would be a good way to solve this but I am not sure that this will be fixed any time soon. Hopefully the bloodshed will be minimal, because hoping for none at all would be futile
I can see how it feels that way when looking at a snapshot of the conflict (of any conflict) without knowing/examining any history or material conditions
I don’t understand what you mean, would you elaborate?
Literally in this thread right now.
Yeah and the Hamas supporting comments are downvoted to hell. Where is the problem?
In this thread yeah, but in other ones they’re at the top.
Which ones?
https://lemmy.world/post/6485742
Most there are like “yeah murdering and raping innocent civilians is bad but what choice do the poor Palestinians have after Israel stole their land”.
Top 8 comments in that thread condemn it. The ninth one is downvoted to hell.
Here, for example: https://lemmy.world/comment/4223593
That seemed like a pretty calm and rational discussion about this horrible situation with people on both sides getting upvoted and the pro Hamas people at the bottom mostly getting down voted. Seems fine to me.
This is not a criticism of the ANC, btw… On a personal level I think some of their actions were deplorable, but I also think that it is fundamentally not up to any of us to judge the armed resistance of the oppressed unless we are actively fighting that oppression in better, more effective ways.
In other words: Personally, I think that anyone who is not personally at a minimum engaged in efforts to end Israeli oppression that is likely to right now be achieving more than armed Palestinian resistance has no moral standing to judge their actions.
24 up, 6 down
Looks to me more like a healthy discussion /:
This is not a criticism of the ANC, btw… On a personal level I think some of their actions were deplorable, but I also think that it is fundamentally not up to any of us to judge the armed resistance of the oppressed unless we are actively fighting that oppression in better, more effective ways.
In other words: Personally, I think that anyone who is not personally at a minimum engaged in efforts to end Israeli oppression that is likely to right now be achieving more than armed Palestinian resistance has no moral standing to judge their actions.
24 up, 6 down
Just keep reading the replies from V H. He gets more apologist as you go farther down.
you missed the Marxists from lemmygrad who yesterday kept cheering for Hamas and kept downplaying their savagery
Ah okay, so when you said lemmy, you meant lemmygrad specifically
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If you’re on an instance that doesn’t defederate from lemmygrad, maybe you should find a new instance or complain to your admins instead of acting like all of lemmy is lemmygrad.
Marxists and the far-left are also spread all over Lemmy, not just lemmygrad, you could see more pro-terrorist comments from other instances. Their pattern is usually the same: rebrand it as “resistance”, downplay the fact that they targeted mainly civilians, and rewrite the facts by claiming for example that the woman was just being transported for burial.
Exactly. I’m a far-leftist, and I’m as disgusted with leftist hot takes the same way I was when poor old defenseless Russia invaded Ukraine and started murdering their children.
I’ve blocked and purged so many leftist creators in 24 hours it is unreal. Spreading legit anti-Semitic (really anti-Jew) conspiracy theories (“curious how nobody stopped it” and the like). Reframing these terrorists as freedom fighters like you said. Blaming this on the U.S. somehow (because we made Iran do this via Hamas as proxy; but Iran has clean hands don’t worry they are just another oppressed peoples).
Far too many leftists, like their right wing nut counterparts, are contrarians at heart. This is what happens when political ideology becomes a personality trait; it becomes akin to a religion.
So thoroughly disgusted by it all. Bad enough what’s happening over there in Israel and Palestine right now; bad enough with all the innocent lives being lost; but then to justify industrial grade rape and murder of men, women, and children? And cheer Palestinians on as they record, edit, and upload their barbarity?
I’d like to believe that a lot of it are disinformation ops, but the sad reality is probably that a fair number of people have nothing left to live for because their lives are shit so the world burning down for others isn’t such a big deal for them.
Thank you so much for putting into words what I’ve been struggling to say. The insanity I’ve seen on the internet is boggling my mind. So much horrible shit is happening, and people feel the need to cheer.
Well fucking said.
Far too many leftists, like their right wing nut counterparts, are contrarians at heart. This is what happens when political ideology becomes a personality trait; it becomes akin to a religion.
hit the nail on the head with that. I’ve seen so many leftists horseshoe into this perverted self righteousness. and it is even more frustrating when they act like they are directly involved in a conflict they really have nothing to do with.
Not to mention how they see Palestinians as pawns
They almost always circlejerk themselves into admitting one of the reasons they’re so giddy about civilian slaughter is because they think it’ll mean resources will be diverted from Ukraine so daddy Putin can conquer it and genocide those kulaks like grampappy Stalin did!
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Yes but lemmygrad and hexbear are hardly representative of the fediverse.
What about ML?
You say that but it’s not true because I see them all over representing so they are representative… just because you don’t like the representation doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t still see it. You can put your head in the sand but I’m not going to.
Ok
Of course, I don’t think I implied that. What I meant to say is that they were very active yesterday on any thread about Hamas’ terrorist attack to defend them.
No, but the original person this discussion started with did imply that.
But Reddit and Lemmy keep telling me Hamas are the oppressed good guys! /S
Yeah I hear that. I’ve definitely been liberally blocking instances
How does one block an instance? That’s not a feature on Lemmy, at least not on personal settings.
On boost you can mute instances.
I think people that pay for apps have that feature on a couple of the apps but it’s not a inherent feature to Lemmy.
Sync and Connect can do it. Possibly other apps as well. It’s also coming up in the next version as a lemmy-wide feature.
Someone hasn’t been to hexbear and lemmygrad today.
I believe your instance has hexbear blocked. They were all over the top of /All yesterday celebrating these attacks and being generally immature. I even saw one post wishing Bernie Sanders was dead after he released a statement condemning the attacks.
I don’t understand why some instances keep being federated with them.
Actually seems like lemmy.world is linked to hexbear.I was wrong, they are not linked.
They’re smart, they spread over different instances. Blocking a single instance helps but won’t stop them from trying to influence the Fediverse.
Not really. The two instances that aren’t on the blocked list don’t actually point to real domains. And if they are managing to sneak through lemmy.world, somebody should let the admins know about it.
Aha! I only checked on lemmy.world itself but didn’t inspect the instance closely, it just had the same name.
Maybe you just weren’t as active then, or not subscribed to the most active communities. I wasn’t too active over the weekend and here’s how I’m finding out
