This is an opportunity for any users, server admins, or interested third parties to ask anything they’d like to @nutomic@lemmy.ml and I about Lemmy. This includes its development and future, as well as wider issues relevant to the social media landscape today.
Note: This will be the thread tmrw, so you can use this thread to ask and vote on questions beforehand.
I have heard some respectable communities, namely r/AskHistorians, express hesitance at coming to Lemmy in part over fears of appearing biased due to the overt political stance of Lemmy’s creators. In other words, it’s hard to be a neutral body in affiliation with anything that has an overt political stance.
I wonder what the devs of Lemmy think of this hesitance. Is it unreasonable and itself biased? Or do you see any potential for finding a way to facilitate a platform that would allow for a more neutral space?
Uh huh…yeah sure…they’re worried about lemmy…right…
Who is u/audax ?
“Neutrality” as a concept doesn’t exist. People who claim to be neutral are usually pro status quo, so they don’t need to express any political views because things are going well for them so far with the current politics.
They can run their own lemmy server, and they don’t need to federate with any servers run by or for proles.
Also, the deepest faith you can have in a political ideology is when you don’t recognize you have one.
Also, the deepest faith you can have in a political ideology is when you don’t recognize you have one.
This is a powerful truth. Some of the most critical actors in maintaining the status quo are the mass of people who are convinced it is the neutral, natural way of the world and not informed by politics at all.
Maybe these so-called historians just need to brush up on the history of all hitherto existing society.
This is antithetical to the decentralised web. The primary feature is that there’s no centralised control. Create your own askhistorians instance.
If anyone considers themselves a historian and thinks anything is unbiased, their experience and insight will be dubious at best. Understanding that everyone has a distinct worldview and therefore bias is literally high-school history class, years before History 101. Do they think reddit.com, or any reddit alternative for that matter, is unbiased or neutral??
Not only is it irrelevant in context (FOSS, forkable, the devs in question only moderate this single instance), it’s especially unreasonable coming from /r/AskHistorians. They of all people should be able to understand bias, context and causation. If anything, this bias is just a guarantee that they won’t sell out and extort the userbase.
Because real historians aren’t the ones using r/ask historians and answering on there
You don’t know anything about r/AH do you?
I’ve read the posts. They are almost all very obviously unreaserched and unknowledgeable answers that no real historian would ever spew
What are you talking about? It is BY FAR the subreddit with the most consistently throughly cited responses. Comments get removed even just for not having sources.
You are not talking about the same subreddit, please check yourself. Or maybe provide some citations of your own if you’re going to say that content of that caliber is “unresearched”. I mean who the heck are you??
Yeah but if allows awful sources for one. I’ve seen absolutely trash sources being the only thing on top questions. You can go through there yourself and see the ridiculousness of the answers on the subreddit. It’s awful. It’s very clear that the answers aren’t by actual historians as any education in it at all would make people see how awful the answers that get upvoted so very often are
They’re classic Moralintern lol
Yeah this. No association is implied just by using open source software. You don’t have to agree with Richard Stallman to use GNU utils, nor linus torvalds to use linux, it doesn’t make you suspect politically, it’s just software.
If you don’t wanna be associated with communists then don’t use a communist instance (hexbear, lemmygrad), that’s fine. even if they don’t make their own instance they can pick and choose their associations. Frankly, being associated with reddit is far worse than being associated with commies.
That’s ridiculous. Reddit has massive political bias as well
it’s hard to be a neutral body in affiliation with anything that has an overt political stance.
What the hell? This is open source. The minute the devs do something to the product that people don’t like, a bazillion forks will appear. While they are the developers of Lemmy, the code isn’t theirs, it’s everyone’s.
Example: audacity
No idea about it, do you have a short summary?
Very basic summary: when they changed their privacy policy to include telemetry, everyone forked it.
They can definitely run their own server, and we’d even help them get set up. There’s no such thing as a neutral space, but people can set up an instance if they’d like to moderate / control it how they see fit.
Doesn’t the federation part fix that? Couldn’t they host their own server or be on a more neutral instance? or am I missing the point?
They could, if they cared to research that much, which many don’t seem to want to do.
Why don’t they join Kbin instead if that’s the case?
