• @MrFunnyMoustache@lemmy.ml
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    Terraforming other planets would be astronomically more challenging than fixing our own planet and we don’t seem to be able to get our shit together to do that. Even if we are capable of terraforming other planets, it would take many centuries at minimum. O’Neal cylinders are far more likely to work once we start industrializing the moon.

    • HobbitFoot
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      421 days ago

      If the colonization strategy is the Moon then Mars, I expect humanity would have the technology needed to colonize Mars easily while terraforming occurs.

      The problem with an O’Neil Cylinder is bringing up enough processed material to build one.

      • @FrogPrincess@lemmy.ml
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        821 days ago

        The problem with an O’Neil Cylinder is bringing up enough processed material to build one.

        One possible solution is a moon base. The moon is full of titanium and iron.

        And then you could launch the stuff out of a weaker gravity well with no air resistance.

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          121 days ago

          I don’t see the application of an O’Neil Cylinder within the Earth and Mars gravity wells given how expensive they would be to build next to better places to grow crops.

          If one does get built, I would expect it in orbit around Jupiter or Saturn to support activity there.

  • originalucifer
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    222 days ago

    yes.

    if we want to become a true space faring species resilient to all that the universe can throw at us we will need both

    • Dessalines
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      121 days ago

      Why is this getting upvoted so much, its just NIMBY, but for the universe. We should decrease environmental damage rather than exporting it or sweeping it under the rug.

  • @Ledivin@lemmy.world
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    Why not both?

    I’m guessing B will happen first, just because we have so much more control of the environment, but we’re still so far away from either one… Maybe I’ll get to see the early stages sometime in my life.

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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    721 days ago

    I’m not sure that fitting Earthlike habitats in giant spaceships would make sense without limitless exponential growth. Wouldn’t it be more feasible to put something on the surface of a planet?

    No matter how advanced our technology gets, we are not going to get around the basic constraints on energy.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      721 days ago

      Hopium huffers will smugly chant “asteroid mining!” as the answer to your questions, in much the same way that “monorail!” was chanted during that one Simpsons episode.

  • @whotookkarl@lemmy.world
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    1021 days ago

    We should be exploring both options, exploration can often lead to unexpected discoveries and technological advancement.

    • @airbussy@lemmy.one
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      1021 days ago

      All these answers are so killjoy and boring. Like yeah we should strive to make our own planet better, but why not also do this? Building habitats on other worlds doesn’t prevent us from caring for this one.

      Plus maybe trying to make a liveable environment in space can give us new insights in preserving the one at home. Like how solar panels have come from space exploration.

      • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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        1821 days ago

        Why would people want to focus more on things we can actually do right now and would improve our lives instead of completely unfeasible pipe dreams? I don’t understand.

        • @witx@lemmy.sdf.org
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          Isn’t there space for both? Why not try multiple avenues? Why have this negative view on everything? Wouldn’t you say the airplane and the car have tremendously improved humanity, even with all its downsides? Or the cellphone?

          I bet at the time of their inventions you would be opposing it because “billionaires are bad and this industry is going to explore the working class”. Guess what? Yes billionaires are bad and explore people and you (all of us) should be fighting against that, not against scientific and engineering inovation.

          • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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            521 days ago

            Every industry exploits the working class under capitalism.

            Are we colonizing planets or building habitats in space right now or any time in the perceivable future, though? No, so beyond a fun thought experiment or sci-fi material, it’s not an idea worth giving any serious thought towards.

            • @witx@lemmy.sdf.org
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              Right because innovation materializes itself when we want … We just flicked our fingers and airplane, cellphone and others just appeared.

              Who are you to tell what we should or should not pursue?

          • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]
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            Isn’t there space for both?

            No. Flatly. You do not get to eject any more human garbage into the cosmos from which we came-- you already have WHOLE FUCKING ARRAYS of busted up satellites and pieces of rockets and a bunch of other more shit floating in high orbit that you have no plans to go retrieve, mind you; fuck would you propose making even more for? Other than the narcissistic techbro flex, I mean?

            • @LilyRose1919@lemmygrad.ml
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              721 days ago

              There is no way you are this upset about piece of metal existing on Mars, littering the rocks. You’re upset about something else and transferring it.

              • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]
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                It physically enrages me every time I look into the night sky ad have to question how much of what I’m seeing up there is just dead space junk. I grew up considering the cosmos more beautiful, and honestly, more sacred than even the ocean that perpetuates our planet. So no, it actually does anger me that people just brazenly throw around ideas of doing what they’ve already done to Earth to other planets, and honestly fuck you for trying to minimize that rage.

                Are you a psychiatrist? Do you have ANY kind of accreditation or doctorate to make such a call? I don’t know how you got a lemmygrad account; but I can only take it to mean the moderation there really is slipping.

                • @LilyRose1919@lemmygrad.ml
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                  421 days ago

                  It physically enrages me every time I…

                  I’m starting to suspect it doesn’t take much to physically enrage you 😄

      • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]
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        All these answers are so killjoy and boring

        Fuck you, the planet is literally on fire and you bazinga-assed techbros want to talk about escape plans. FIX WHAT YOU FUCKED UP FIRST.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            721 days ago

            You can ignore catastrophic global warming and actual fucking wildfires of unprecedented frequency and scale if you think being a Reddit-tier pedant will protect you.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        All these answers are so killjoy and boring.

        Yes, fantasizing about billionaires fixing everything by making good on their bullshit marketing pitches is very exciting to credulous people.

        Building habitats on other worlds doesn’t prevent us from caring for this one.

        If you believe that there’s some magic means to have zero emissions launches into space that are in any way self-sustained without further launches to keep throwing resources after spent resources from an increasingly polluted, depleted, and warming Earth, sure, you can huff that hopium deep and hard and ignore the worsening material reality all around you.

        Plus maybe trying to make a liveable environment in space can give us new insights in preserving the one at home.

        You’ve bought deeply into billionaire bullshit and their bogus promises, especially as privatized space travel in the west becomes increasingly vanity tourism and marketing stunts. The accomplishments that such companies’ underpaid and overworked workers achieve are not for the common good, nor can they be because they are publicly subsidized private companies seeking to maximize profits and expand their own venture capital appeal, and nothing more.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            621 days ago

            speech-r Drej words for "I think I’ll just sit back and watch these ignorant humans burn their own planet down while fantasizing about escaping it for now.’

        • @witx@lemmy.sdf.org
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          821 days ago

          You seem to be letting your hatred for Musk confuse you about space exploration. NASA and other governmental agencies do very important work when it comes to space exploration

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            421 days ago

            You seem to be conjuring an imaginary psych degree so you can concern troll. Fuck off.

            • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]
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              “DAE le Musk Derangement Syndrome?”

              bazinga

              Techbros are burning the world down in swathes to fuel their theftboxes at best, and artificial lovers at worst, Neuralink just fucked some guy’s brains up, Cybertrucks keep failing left and goddamn right, but sure, let’s just chalk all this up to “Musk Derangement Syndrome” jesus fucking christ I hate you techbro settlers. Please die young of something preventable.

              • @FrogPrincess@lemmy.ml
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                Techbros are burning the world down in swathes to fuel their theftboxes at best, and artificial lovers at worst, Neuralink just fucked some guy’s brains up, Cybertrucks keep failing left and goddamn right, but sure, let’s just chalk all this up to “Musk Derangement Syndrome” jesus fucking christ I hate you techbro settlers. Please die young of something preventable.

                lol this sounds like you have smoke coming out your ears writing it

                • Nakoichi [they/them]
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                  721 days ago

                  Culture war is when a person points out the chauvinism inherent in cracker fantasies about colonizing the stars because there is nowhere left to colonize here without just admitting to themselves they just want to subjugate everyone and everything on earth and above.

                  @frauddogg@hexbear.net is 100% correct in every single comment they have made in this thread.

                  I can’t really even add anything to this other than say they right fuck off.

                • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]
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                  Can you string two together without coating your tongue in c-suite low quarter polish?

                  Die in a vessel fire, colonizer. Infinite Apollo 1s on every settler trying to expand their necrotic reach to the stars.

            • @witx@lemmy.sdf.org
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              Meh I dislike Musk as well but I don’t let that cloud my judgement of his companies or science/engineering in general.

              • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]
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                He isn’t even the guy behind any discovery his manifold bought-up companies make. He’s just the nepobaby failspawn of blood emerald mining company money in South Africa; and as far as I’m concerned, that makes anything that comes out of his companies while he helms them fruit of the poison tree.

                We do not support, uplift, or patronize colonizers, slavers, resource-extracting thieves, or any combination of the three in this house.

                • @LilyRose1919@lemmygrad.ml
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                  521 days ago

                  He isn’t even the guy behind any discovery his manifold bought-up companies make.

                  Then stop obsessing on him maybe? The thread was supposed to be about space stations and stuff.

              • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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                721 days ago

                I don’t let that cloud my judgement of his companies

                That says a lot about you, then. The guy’s a fascist but you don’t care because so-true muh bazingamobiles and space crap!

                • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]
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                  Polly’s Tenet: “I can excuse anything from anyone if it means my treats arrive on time”. My parrot is literally more disciplined than these settler shitstains.

            • Nakoichi [they/them]
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              821 days ago

              My grandpa helped design and test the tech for ballistic missiles while working as a private contractor for a now defunct aerospace corporation under contract with NASA.

              If he was still alive I would say he gets the wall too.

  • @Raffster@lemmy.world
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    How to survive in space: Develop ways to survive in space only first. Once you manage that all the other problems are trivial compared and you don’t have a single point of failure (aka our planet) anymore. Isn’t that obvious?