• @jagged_circle@feddit.nl
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    1 month ago

    Usually this happens when you dont have a democracy. Establish a system with rank choice voting and a few dozen candidates, and you’ll see votes closer aligned with voter interests

  • @PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    Because civic education is lowly valued. It’s not, strictly speaking, intelligence. It’s that they were never taught what politics actually means, and after a while, they figure that since they’ve gone so long without it and things have been ‘fine’ in their life, it must not matter all that much.

  • @Huschke@lemmy.world
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    Here are a few examples of what I’ve seen them do in the time I’ve been alive.

    • Lowering the amount of educated people by various means such as cutting (on not properly increasing) funding, restricting access to it,…
    • Limiting access to (somewhat) correct information by buying up news media outlets, severely influencing social media, telling people that their “alternative media” is the only way to get correct information, and so much more
    • Actively pitting groups of people against each other, black vs white, immigrants vs citizens, women vs men,…
    • @Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world
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      I agree with all of your points but believe there is one more.

      Many vote for their party because that is what their family has always done. To them it is like rooting for their Football or Baseball team. They just want the win and feed off any news stories that support that view. No matter how much of complete failure a Republican President is (G.W.B. Comes to mind) their popularity never drops below 28% - 35%.

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    Because our brains are not wired for the modern complex world. Most decisions we make, we make thanks to heuristics that are heavily exploited by other people.

  • @VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about

    its not about red vs blue states. It’s About The Country Vs. The City

    A successful propaganda campaign by the owning class.

    And a quote from an anonymous mutual:

    many people will unfortunately need to learn this the hard way it seems at the expense of those who take the time to see the writing on the wall those ignorant to their exploitation will seldom listen to those who try to tell them how horribly theyre being fucked “if it were really so bad id notice” theyll say “this isnt so bad” theyll say, standing on the peak of the mountain that is dunning-kruger unknowing all we can do is wait, and watch to find out what what it is that throws them into the valley of unfathomable uncertainty in the meantime we must work for each other, for those who do see how good things could be. maybe then, our greener grass will coax them into giving us a fair listen

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    Two camps

    1. They don’t know any better.

    Basically leftists-in-training that haven’t read enough wikipedia articles on Reagan yet.

    1. People voting and believing political opinions with their gut instinct

    Don’t bother, and if you see one with a nazi flag, punch them in the face.

  • @DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    391 month ago

    The sooner you realize the vast majority of humans are simply not very intelligent, the more everything starts making sense. And the more depressed you will be.

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        21 month ago

        Replace ‘average’ by ‘median’ to be correct. The average can be distorted by especially dumb people.

    • @sudo42@lemmy.world
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      91 month ago

      I have no science behind this (and am therefore a hypocrite) but I’m giving up on the assumption that people think. I suspect that most people feel and make decisions on those feelings.
      Thinking happens later, if at all.

      • @GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world
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        61 month ago

        Humans are animals that navigate life through the lens of emotions with logic being something that we have to work towards - so you may be closer to the truth than you think.

    • @absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz
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      181 month ago

      It is a combination of this and the power of propaganda.

      When you can control the information that people consume, you can have a huge influence over what they think.
      If you can influence the thoughts of a big portion of the populous, you can create control structures. You use these control structures to move people into their emotional decision making more often. The more often you can keep people in their emotional decision mode, the easier you can control what they do.
      The thing is, the easiest way to keep people in their emotional thought mode, is to pull the fear and anger levers. Keep people afraid and angry, and you can steer society.

      The other problem with this is, the people who see through this kind of thing are not the majority.
      The people who can see through the techniques, are not always the traditionally “smart”; but higher intelligence is certainly an advantage.

      • @Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
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        71 month ago

        This is true. Always has been, always will be. Many Trump voters are already regretting their decision after seeing the early consequences of Trump’s statements. But that won’t be permanent. Many will likely be duped again by another conman using the same tactics.

        I need to mention that old school ‘patent medicine’ (ex: snake oil) in the 19th to very early 20th was not destroyed by advancements in actual medicine and education and awareness… it was done by simply banning the patent medicines and forcing others to disclose their ingredients. When buyers of said medicine were aware of the bullshit of old snake oil, they just moved onto another brand of snake oil (which may or may not have been made and sold by the same guy).

        If they removed regulations on medicine and legalized many of the old hard drugs we would see a resurgence in patent medicine that caused so many problems in times past. There was actually a reason why people who avoided all medication in the 19th century actually had a longer than average life expectancy.

  • @RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    Do we actually vote to benefit the rich?

    Many vote for leaders that openly cater to the rich, but I don’t know that we actually consciously vote to deliberately help the rich.

    Those elected people are the ones telling everyone that the rich are the job creators. They used to feed us the farce that trickle-down was viable, they don’t even bother with the lie anymore. The rich are just squatters on wealth. They get that wealth by consolidating businesses, hoarding assets like real estate, creating artificial scarcity, enshittifying everything, and squeezing labor for more productivity while expending massive effort to minimize overall compensation.

    And they own the media. All of it. Even the “liberal” media is mealy at best about taxing wealth or anything critical of the uber-wealthy, anything right of center is openly against tax, particularly of anyone with wealth, making the wealthy the “victims” of the left’s ideas while the wealthy are just parasites victimizing us all.

    All that aside, the real crux of the issue is identity politics. Being a sycophant of the rich is no longer any different than being a evangelical supply-side Jesus CINO, pro-gun, anti-government, anti-tax, anti-environmental regs, blah blah and all the rest of the mulish conservative BS.

    They don’t actually care if we cater to the rich. They care that their team says we should bend over and give the rich everything. Just like their team says school shootings are an acceptable price for having your own personal arsenal, or spreading a potentially deadly disease is better than being inconvenienced by closed restaurants.

    Obstinate tribalism has gleefully supplanted critical thought.

  • @MimicJar@lemmy.world
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    Since I didn’t see it listed yet, fear of change.

    Some folks are just fearful of change.

    Rarely is a change proposal black and white. We can show you good data to support the change. We can look at it from a reputable source. We can look at how the change affected others. We can agree it’s most likely a good change.

    But sometimes we fear it.

    What if we’re wrong?

  • Cowbee [he/they]
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    This is a complex question, but up front first and foremost in any Capitalist country, voting will always benefit the rich, even FDR style Social Democracy came about as concessions to prevent revolution in the context of a decimated working class and a rising USSR.

    People, generally, vote along their class interests, but these are handled in a different manner depending on which country you are in. Using the US as an example, the DNC caters to social progressivism, while the GOP caters to social conservativism. On foreign policy, the GOP and DNC are near identical, and when it comes to domestic economic policy, the DNC caters slightly more to urban voters while the GOP caters to rural voters.

    This is all, however, in the context of parties that function as businesses that sell policy to Capitalists. Both parties serve Capital, because Capital is what holds real power. It holds power over the media, the state, everything.

    The answer to how to fix this is getting workers to organize. When workers organize, they raise their social and class awareness and can accomplish far more than atomized individuals can.

  • miak
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    Often when I see someone accusing people of voting against their own interests, it’s pretty clear that the person making the accusation has not taken the time to understand the values others are basing their choice on.
    If I could rob a person and be confident that I would never be caught and punished for doing so, am I acting against my own self interest if I chose not to rob them because it goes against my moral code? No, of course not. But based on the way some people talk about voting against ones self interest, you might think I just cheated myself out of free money. Is it possible that a person might “vote against their own interests” because of a misinformed view? of course, but you’ll never understand a person’s motivations by chosing to paint them with broad strokes based on your prejudices instead of getting to know them individually and trying to understand what it is they truly value.

      • miak
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        Fear is often a motivating factor in a person’s choice. This was equally true of the left and right in this past US presidential election.
        I haven’t seen any evidence that fear is a value that most people hold though. The source of their fear is concern over the things they do value.

    • @Doomsider@lemmy.world
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      You just got to get to know the Nazi to understand them?

      Oh wait it is more nuanced than that. You gotta get to know the racist to emphasize with them?

      Dang it, we got to dig deeper. You have to get to know the misogynist to get them?

      Sometimes getting to know someone is not the magical solution people think it is.

      • miak
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        There’s those broad strokes I was talking about. I appreciate you providing an example.

        Refusing to empathize and understand how people arrive at their views in favor of this kind of prejudice will never contribute to positive changes.
        Yes, the best cure to bigotry is love and compassion. Love and compassion start with empathy. It’s easy to empathize with those that think and act like you do - it can be difficult, but all the more important, to empathize with those that don’t. Refusing to do so only ensures polarization of society and a perpetuation of the cycles of violence that permeate society. This is something that has become all the more clear with the rise of social media and the info bubbles they trap people in.

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          You can spend years turning the heart of a racist and certainly some people have done this successfully.

          Meanwhile propaganda has turned out another ten thousand racists in the time it took you to change a couple minds.

          To be frank your belief is not completely wrong but it will not solve our current problems.

          You hint on the reality that it is our social constructs such as social media that is driving this resurgence of hate.

          As a social worker by trade I can say I know a lot about this topic. There is a classic story of people getting swept into the river.

          While it is admirable that you want to jump in to save people the real solution is going upstream and stopping people from falling in.

          Understanding racist losers will not accomplish what you want. Changing their minds will not either. You have to stop it at the source.

          • miak
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            It sounds like we’re largely in agreement. Absolutely, you want to tackle the issue at the source. I don’t see how one hopes to accomplish that without empathy. Understanding those racist ‘losers’ is how you begin to understand how to tackle this at the source.

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              I agree your belief is admirable, but it is extremely naive if you think it will make a difference on a large scale even if there are millions who believe what you do.

              We already had a movement about peace, love, and understanding that was very popular with a huge chunk of the population doing the acts you described in the 1960s.

              You have also clearly not spent any amount of time with the kind of people you think you can emphasize with. I lived in rural Idaho for Obama’s years. I couldn’t count the amount of times people joked about hanging or shooting him.

              You want to empathize with a racist who wants a man dead just because he is black? I did plenty of this and guess the positive change it made. Yeah, it didn’t matter at all.

              The only way is to stop the propaganda. This is the source. Hate radio, Faux News, and now Xshitter feed people with lies using psychological manipulation to twist their minds and hearts.

              It takes years, sometimes decades, to deprogram people from this if they are willing to change. They are creating new racist losers at a pace you cannot keep up with. This is the reality we face.