Guys, at this rate I don’t think the revolution’s going to happen anytime soon.
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I am honestly a bit impressed by how you managed to read all this into OP’s pic. Literally nothing there is about using Facebook, being guilted(???) into using it, nothing suggests that leftists shouldn’t build their own spaces. Are you really responding to the pic or to something else?
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No the idea is the Left has a long history of infighting over which cause is most worthy or which step in the direction of progress to make to the detriment of making overall progress or actually working against the Right.
Letting “perfect be the enemy of good”.
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Well then… Your comment showed up first when I opened the comments, and without any other context it baffled me.
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maybe i’ve just instinctively avoided places like this but that isn’t my impression at all, i find that a lot of people agree even if they don’t call themselves leftist at all, in fact the whole problem is that basically everyone has nearly identical beliefs but can’t bear the thought of voting for leftists who want to actually treat people fairly.
frankly the sentiment of this post feels like astroturfing to sow discontent.
I remember when the election happened I saw so many people on the left complaining that they needed a left wing version of Joe Rogan.
Motherfuckers you HAD Joe Rogan. He just talked to people you didn’t like sometimes so you literally pushed him into the open arms of the right. Good job idiots.
Yeah I don’t think that’s what happened.
We doing revisionist history now? Joe endorsed Bernie Sanders in 2020. He was a self described Democrat for the majority of his life.
But because he invited guests from both sides of the isle onto his podcast the left decided he was a problem. God forbid anyone want to even hear what the other side is thinking once in their lives. The left abandoned Joe and guess who was there to snap him up when they did that? The alt right dumbasses. So now we have Joe endorsing Trump this time around.
The left is not tolerant of any amount of different thinking among their ranks. You gotta agree on everything or you need to leave. You can see it situations like Joe or even smaller situations like myself and many others who spent their entire lives being Democrats only to be shown the door when we disagreed on one or two things.
Whether or not you believe that’s what’s going on I can tell with absolute certainty it is. The 2024 election results fall more on the shoulders of the Democratic party messing everything up than Trump or the Republicans doing anything particularly right.
Y’all need to stop thinking in such black and white terms when it comes to people. Someone can be all for universal healthcare, but also want their own gun to defend themselves. Some of the more moderate left can understand that, but the grand majority will view that kind of person as a full on righty so they push them away. And guess what happens when they do that? You lose elections because you’re so up your own ass about things that you lose people who were on your side.
…be shown the door when we disagreed on one or two things.
Did your girlfriend break up with you over that tiny little issue of believing she deserves bodily autonomy?
Go ahead, tell us the tragic story of how the Democrats forced you to change sides not because of the issues that haven’t changed, but because your feelings got hurt.
See you’re proving my point for me right now. You don’t even know me or any of my stances yet you assume because I have said I don’t agree with all the ideas on the left that I must be a Trumpy.
I am staunchly pro-choice. I’ve never been broken up with because of my political beliefs.
You seriously need to take a step back and reevaluate how you interact with people.
No, I did not assume. I read the part where you said you spent your entire life as a Democrat. That’s the past tense which means you no longer are.
Nobody kicked you out. You got upset when somebody pushed back. Just like now.
What opinion of yours got challenged enough that you left? Let’s hear it so we know if it’s bad enough to deserve whatever you got or you were unjustly maligned.
No opinion of mine got challenged at all. There is no calm discussion with most Democrats. My mom is the only Democrat in my family that is even open to conversation with me on topics we disagree on. The majority simply scream or walk away the moment you say something they don’t agree with. I have my beliefs about certain things that don’t align with the lefts playbook. I have had lifelong friends (and family) stop speaking to me forever because I disagreed with them about one thing. We agreed on all other major political topics but they couldn’t stand my different opinion on one thing so they “kicked” me out of their group. They don’t want anyone with even remotely different thinking in their bubble. These are the same people who were 100% sure Kamala had 2024 in the bag. They built those garden walls a little too high and lost touch with reality.
I am friends with many people that I disagree with on a myriad of topics. I do not drop them as friends because we disagree on a few things because I’m not a child that views the world with this black and white/us vs them mentality. People are complex and to condemn anyone who doesn’t think exactly like me would unbelievably idiotic.
Your comments remain to be another prime example of this behavior. You don’t even know what I think about things and simply because you heard that I used to be a Democrat you have already started attacking me. Behavior like yours is precisely how the Democrats lost the 2024 election.
I am pro-choice. The government should have basically zero input on this. The only three people that should have anything to say about a pregnancy are the two people that caused it to happen and their doctor.
All for universal healthcare. Our current system is a bloated mess that actually ends up costing us more than universal healthcare would.
Don’t care about gay marriage whatsoever. Let people marry whatever consenting adult they want. The government should have basically zero say about this.
I believe in actual freedom of speech full stop. Not like Elon Musk who claims he’s a free speech absolutionist, but he immediately removes people he doesn’t like from twitter. Fuck that guy forever.
I believe everyone has a right to defend themselves. Guns or otherwise. We have a rampant mental health problem and blaming whatever tool the crazy person uses is a massive waste of time and energy. We need to be addressing the root cause.
I think taxes should increase as you go up in wealth. People struggling to keep a roof over their heads and feed themselves should essentially pay zero taxes and those who have three homes in 3 different countries need to be paying more.
Churches 100000000% need to be paying taxes and it’s a fucking joke that they still don’t.
We need to have term limits on all positions and a maximum age for all political positions. If we were smart enough to know that people under the age of 35 aren’t ready to run the country then we need to also agree that someone over the age of let’s say 70 is also too old to reasonably understand what the majority of the country needs or wants.
I can’t think of all the major political disagreements between the parties right now, but if you were to count them up the grand majority of my opinions fall into the “blue” side of things. I have never had any right leaning friends stop speaking to me for my various left leaning opinions, but I have had MANY left leaning people in my life completely cut me out of their lives immediately upon the first disagreement.
I am not the only person I know with those “mid-left” ideals that has found themselves similarly abandoned by the left. I’m no longer a Democrat because I will not associate myself with such a elitists group of close minded pricks. For completely different reasons I won’t associate with the religious conservative morons on the right either.
Because I don’t fully subscribe to either side I don’t have a “home” but I have only ever been shunned by Dems. Republicans has either been indifferent or open to conversation with me which is precisely how the Democrats lost 2024. They will likely continue to lose in the future unless the whole party makes some rather significant shifts.
since when are the democrats considered left… do you mean liberals?
Right… Except this is true for all online communities. People talk a lot of shit and complain a lot. Cope with it or log off.
Or blame it on the left, lol, whatever makes you happy.
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As a leftist its also important to keep in mind we do differentiate between leftists who hold some opinions we disagree with compared to a Liberal who disagrees with us on nearly everything. Especially when said Liberals demand to be treated like leftists yet support imperalism, genocide, apartheid, capitalism, bigotry, and yet constantly call people “fake leftists” or “tankies”.
yet support imperalism, genocide, apartheid, capitalism, bigotry
Yeah as a liberal I resent this. Im against all of these things except that I believe that the world is capitalist and would probably not be really any different even with a sudden communist takeover. Power corrupts any system just like it always has so you need safegaurds and checks that our system did have until everyone decided to throw out baby with the bath water
There are ideas i like that are communist(social programs, centralized production, not a huge fan of not owning my own stuff, but i dont think businesses should really own land), but i believe there is a lot of resistance to it and a slow burn towards utopia is a more fruitful endeavor.
not a huge fan of not owning my own stuff
Communism is when I own your toothbrush. Hand it over liberal.
safegaurds and checks that our system did have
Uh… Assuming you’re from the west. The US was founded on slavery and genocide, and western Europe got to where it is through colonialism. What checks and safeguards did our countries ever have?
Checks and balances, regulation and with a united constituency you would have more accountable politicians. Instead we got the left and right doing the splits so hard we got the rich lefties hopping ship to the right
Again, never had such thing as “accountable politicians” in the west, we’re founded on colonialism, slavery and genocide. We’ve never had these “balances and regulations” that you talk about, otherwise the people in charge for the invasion of Vietnam, Iraq, the bombing of Libya and of Yugoslavia, and an honestly endless list of atrocities carried out by the west, would have suffered consequences
Freedom is a humanist value. Curtailing freedom to do wrong is of course acceptable. Something most people here won’t like is that the best gender/sexuality is hetero-CIS. That doesn’t make the freedom not to be forced into the best humanist production of 20+ births per lifetime to not be a valid freedom. A feminist/queer supremacy can define wrongs as hiring practices, or not believing their preferred side in any accusation.
Autocracy, oppression, warmongering is not a left/right exclusivity. Warmongering against those less liberal than “us” is common. All of these are huge wrongs, not the slightestly cured by “leftism”. Freedom has to be more important than good, because there is no non-evil way of imposing “only good”, or especially, letting a ruling autocracy corrupt definition of good.
UBI is especially important as a solution to divisiveness. It is incredibly empowering to workers, and empowers both forming relationships, and empowering those unhappy into leaving relationships.
People who seek first to run away to greener pastures rather than try and maintain their own are the true scourges of society.
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