From the article’s sub headline: ”Palestinians in Beit Hanoun were instructed by Israeli army to leave their homes and head for city centre. Hours later, the city centre was targeted”
Not how Israeli political system works. Israel has a history of electing monsters with so little support that they have to form a coalition government of other monsters that has so little support in the Knesset that there’s a no-confidence vote, the government collapses, and new elections are called. Terrorism is the A#1 thing that allows Likud to keep getting votes. A#2 is that Palestinians don’t have a track record of bargaining in good faith. Though to be fair, it was the ultra-orthodox that murdered Rabin after the Oslo Accords.
No no I know Israel is horrible that’s not news. I’m specifically talking about giving airstrike warnings with an order to evacuate somewhere and striking the evacuation location. That’s new to my knowledge.
Maybe the Israelis should since they forced the two state plan by civilian bombing campaigns and outright murder of political and religious leaders who had lived there for generations.
Boiling it down to the system that has been in place for the last 30-40 years? Yes they do.
They take the money. They take the weapons. They are told to use the weapons. They use the weapons on Palestine.
Here, maybe I won’t get completely eviscerated for this one. Israel is Vader. The US is Palpatine.
Israel was never forced to turn evil, but the US has the carrot and Israel keeps reaching for it.
As a result, they have spent decades torturing and murdering innocent people. Small wonder a resistance formed.
Now flash back to Iraq. America made Osama Bin Laden a national hero. America’s existence is the result of guerrilla warfare. I was taught by American education that America did it first. I know we didn’t.
Anyway, America went into Iraq, helped install Saddam, rewarded Osama for being effective in installing Saddam, then Al Queda started doing things we didn’t like and we got stuck in war with Iraq for decades.
The parallels between America’s involvement with Iraq and America’s involvement with Israel are astounding to me.
Huh? Osama bin Laden was 11 when Saddam Hussein became vice president of Iraq. He was in university when the president resigned and Hussein became president and then was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan during the early years of his rule. Al-Qaeda had no presence in Iraq before the US invasion - and didn’t even exist until a decade after Hussein became president.
I think we’re entering an era where war crimes will be met with increasingly little repercussion by third parties. You might call me a doomer, though, so take my opinion as you will.
I think generally it’s more akin to your average legal proceedings. The plebs who commit war crimes will face the full extent of the law, but when wealthy entities or nations do it they will often get away with it.
When it comes to charging the losers, even with the Nazis and the Nuremburg trials there was a significant amount of opposition from people within the Allied nations against prosecuting them. Actually, in an article about Ben Ferencz (the guy who worked hardest to make the Nuremburg trials happen) I read about a Nazi tried in the UK, Winston Churchill personally donated towards this Nazi’s defense and then had his execution commuted down to life, then later only ~20 years. By the end of the war Churchill was vehemently against the Soviets and chomping at the bit to invade them, I think this gave him sympathy towards Nazis who had been fighting Soviets. I’ve since been unable to find the guy’s name, though.
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From the article’s sub headline: ”Palestinians in Beit Hanoun were instructed by Israeli army to leave their homes and head for city centre. Hours later, the city centre was targeted”
What the actual fuck. Israel does many horrific stuff but this a new low.
Netanyahu said:" Those Who Attacked Israel Will Remember Israel’s Military Response For ‘Generations’ "
We are going to see some horrific war crimes in the weeks to come. And all of our countries are backing them up. Whole thing is fucked.
It’s sad but not surprising. Israel has a history of electing monsters.
Not how Israeli political system works. Israel has a history of electing monsters with so little support that they have to form a coalition government of other monsters that has so little support in the Knesset that there’s a no-confidence vote, the government collapses, and new elections are called. Terrorism is the A#1 thing that allows Likud to keep getting votes. A#2 is that Palestinians don’t have a track record of bargaining in good faith. Though to be fair, it was the ultra-orthodox that murdered Rabin after the Oslo Accords.
It’s nothing new at all. Maybe new because you never payed a single fuck until recently.
Wait they’ve done this before? WTF bruh.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/palestine-west-bank-deadliest-year-second-intifada
This is just data from 2022-2020.
No no I know Israel is horrible that’s not news. I’m specifically talking about giving airstrike warnings with an order to evacuate somewhere and striking the evacuation location. That’s new to my knowledge.
Maybe the Palestinians should just leave?
Maybe the Israelis should since they forced the two state plan by civilian bombing campaigns and outright murder of political and religious leaders who had lived there for generations.
It’s their fucking land.
Because Israel is fucking evil. Not Jews. Israel.
Why is Israel evil?
Extensive grooming by America.
Do Israelis have no agency in your mind?
Boiling it down to the system that has been in place for the last 30-40 years? Yes they do.
They take the money. They take the weapons. They are told to use the weapons. They use the weapons on Palestine.
Here, maybe I won’t get completely eviscerated for this one. Israel is Vader. The US is Palpatine.
Israel was never forced to turn evil, but the US has the carrot and Israel keeps reaching for it.
As a result, they have spent decades torturing and murdering innocent people. Small wonder a resistance formed.
Now flash back to Iraq. America made Osama Bin Laden a national hero. America’s existence is the result of guerrilla warfare. I was taught by American education that America did it first. I know we didn’t.
Anyway, America went into Iraq, helped install Saddam, rewarded Osama for being effective in installing Saddam, then Al Queda started doing things we didn’t like and we got stuck in war with Iraq for decades.
The parallels between America’s involvement with Iraq and America’s involvement with Israel are astounding to me.
Huh? Osama bin Laden was 11 when Saddam Hussein became vice president of Iraq. He was in university when the president resigned and Hussein became president and then was fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan during the early years of his rule. Al-Qaeda had no presence in Iraq before the US invasion - and didn’t even exist until a decade after Hussein became president.
I love you.
Let’s start here. You’re a great fact checker.
Osama Bin Laden was celebrated by the Regan administration for uprooting soviet interests in the region, no?
They got the leader they voted for, that’s on them.
There have been multiple reports now of Palestinians being told to take shelter in specific places and then those places being bombed.
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I think we’re entering an era where war crimes will be met with increasingly little repercussion by third parties. You might call me a doomer, though, so take my opinion as you will.
The thing about that is there never was an era where war crimes were punished consistently.
In fact the modern post-WW2 era is about as good as it gets. And that is indeed not much.
Would you say that only the losers trend to be charged of war crimes. And probably some low-ranking war Victors.
I think generally it’s more akin to your average legal proceedings. The plebs who commit war crimes will face the full extent of the law, but when wealthy entities or nations do it they will often get away with it.
When it comes to charging the losers, even with the Nazis and the Nuremburg trials there was a significant amount of opposition from people within the Allied nations against prosecuting them. Actually, in an article about Ben Ferencz (the guy who worked hardest to make the Nuremburg trials happen) I read about a Nazi tried in the UK, Winston Churchill personally donated towards this Nazi’s defense and then had his execution commuted down to life, then later only ~20 years. By the end of the war Churchill was vehemently against the Soviets and chomping at the bit to invade them, I think this gave him sympathy towards Nazis who had been fighting Soviets. I’ve since been unable to find the guy’s name, though.
True, but I never said otherwise.
The playbook is to just claim its propaganda. The internet is so supersaturated the average person can’t vet it as true or false.
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Me too.
They were told to leave their homes and go to the city Centre. Then the city Centre was bombed.