This was back in soil and growing underneath the stairs. I still use these lights in my veg tent, but after this grow I actually designed and built my own light to go along with these two. Worked well, was just a hassle to deal with.

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    Till vs no-till and how no-till does better over time (both in-ground outdoors): https://lter.kbs.msu.edu/2020/05/no-till-agriculture-increases-crop-yields-environmental-gains-over-long-haul/

    Difficult to find non-anecdotal evidence on a small scale, but here is some anecdotal evidence:

    https://old.reddit.com/r/microgrowery/comments/x06aip/been_seeing_a_lot_of_posts_how_soil_cant_yield_as/

    https://old.reddit.com/r/microgrowery/comments/8az94a/what_happens_to_yields_with_organic_no_till_vs/

    Not to mention a (subjectively) better end product that (anecdotally) tastes better than the same genetics in hydro. There’s a reason why no-till product sells for more.

    I don’t have experience with aeroponics, so I can’t comment on that, but I understand that it still uses bottled nutes, so a lot of the info should still apply.

    You can’t compare no-till to any other soil-based growing method. They’re not at all the same.

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      Top comment of your third link. None of those are scientific either.

      10% less and 30% slower, and far from accurate.

      The extra harvest from hydro is huge, even if then yields are the same.

      3x5 is 15 but 4x5 is 20.

      I just got 30% more crop from cutting down veg times.

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        I don’t think you read that entire comment.

        He specifically states at the beginning, those numbers are for supersoil, then he goes on to state that supersoil is not the same as no-till, and in the same comment, he states similar yields for no-till and hydro.

        Properly done no till in my experience yields about the same and vegs almost as fast as hydro, but quality is better.

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          “About” and “almost” is extremely specific… means it does the same? That’s a new one to me.

          They also explain how it’s not just a little more work to setup properly, to get no-till to a point where it can compete within 25% of hydro takes years and constant no fuckups. That’s a hard task for even the most seasoned growers.

          None of those were scientific and are opinion based. Let’s see a side by side of them having the same harvest and veg time, can you do that? NASA has it for soil hydro and aeroponics. You can start there I guess.

          Edit oh fuck I just realized those aren’t even upvoted, nice sources, probably your own reddit comments? Omfg and the dude in the second post is getting grilled for his comments. What did you think these were proving?

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      Here’s one from another grow.

      I view a lot of grow journals and posts on social media regarding cannabis, even industrial posts and stuff like that. Can you provide anything even anecdotal that shows similar results? I’ll drop the scientific angle, we both know you can’t provide that since it doesn’t exist since it’s not even comparable.

      I’m not perfect, so if it’s possible, it shouldn’t be hard for you to find a post that meets the criteria.

      I’ve never seen a 6 day growth like that in anything other than water based growth media, coco excluded since it’s for all intents and purposes treated as hydro.

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        I can’t find any no-till grow journals with pictures for whatever reason and I’ve personally been out of the game for a few years, so I don’t have pics myself. Otherwise, I’d have replied with pics earlier.

        I’d love to see someone do a side-by-side of hydro vs. mature no-till, but I also didn’t find any of those.

        I know Build-A-Soil on YouTube has grow journals, but they’re in video form if you don’t mind that. https://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/2016-grow-journal-from-seed-to-harvest-1

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          You’re not gonna find them since they don’t exist since it’s not possible. People love claiming it, but doing an actual side by side with clones from the same genetic strain will always show water based winning.

          The only way no till wins would be to do no till perfectly and fuck up the hydro grow. Yes no till can be better than other soil methods, but does mean that it’s also as good as water based.

          I’ve watched plenty of videos from build a soil, I’ve never seen any evidence of vegging being even close to similar to hydro.

          I’m trying to be polite and engaging here, but I’m blocking you, you clearly have zero proof and are perpetuating bullshit.