I fucked with the title a bit. What i linked to was actually a mastodon post linking to an actual thing. but in my defense, i found it because cory doctorow boosted it, so, in a way, i am providing the original source here.

please argue. please do not remove.

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    if anybody gets a copy of it, they have no ethical obligation not to share it, and every ethical justification for sharing it.

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          Every web request costs someone money. If you aren’t paying them you are being provided a service. They’ve given you knowledge/ material in their possession free of charge. You are taking advantage of that good will by using the content for purposes not intended. That is a moral failing.

          To be clear the ownership of the material is not important, just the access is immoral, as the harm is already done.

          Ill add the caveat that it can be moral if they’ve specifically told you you can via the websites robot.txt file which websites of consequence all have. But the assumption has to be they don’t intend this because that is how consent works.

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            the assumption has to be they don’t intend this

            why? if someone publishes something on port 80, why should I ever assume they mean anything but for me to have and use that data?

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              Because there is a standard way for people to make their consent known. Just because you ignore someone withholding you consent doesn’t mean you are free morally.

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          this reads like an appeal to ridicule.

          I don’t know what this is supposed to mean. Speak plainly.

          if you have an objection to what I said please state it.

          I don’t even know where or how to begin arguing against a position that’s flawed on such a basic level.

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            an appeal to ridicule is also called a horse laugh fallacy. it’s like writing lol instead of actually explaining what’s wrong with the position to which your objecting. this response also reads like an appeal to ridicule. if you can’t explain what’s wrong with my position, maybe you shouldn’t be speaking about my position.

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              You’ve already done a fine job of explaining exactly what’s wrong with your position. You think you’re entitled to the fruits of others’ labor. It’s as simple as that.

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                You think you’re entitled to the fruits of others’ labor.

                this isn’t what I said. it’s a straw man.

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                  My guy, you think you can just write off everyone’s argument by just assigning it some words you read on Wikipedia.

                  It’s literally exactly what you said. You’re moving the goal posts.