Its been a while since I saw the posts, but it was not subtle at all; immediate reactionary posts from the same instance all badmouthing someone drag was arguing with, using the same phrasing and sentence structure drag uses.
These immediate reactionary posts, were they directed at various different people? Drag has been in drama and conflict with a lot of people on Lemmy. So if drag made the posts, it would make sense for them to be directed at all the people drag has had a lot of conflict with: spujb, Flying Squid, Pug Jesus…
Or, was the alt-account harassment all directed at a single user, and all at a time when that user had something to gain from playing the victim? Because if that’s the case, it seems like maybe that particular user is somehow linked to the cause of the harassment.
Coincidences do happen. I got semi-banned from a place once, and a few months afterward, someone joined with a name that was near-identical. It was a real Guy Incognito moment.
Stop tolerating their ridiculous neopronoun. It was an obvious fucking troll. Grow a spine and start calling this fucking bullshit out instead of letting it infect the LGBT communities.
Idk fam, I feel like weird use of language kinda pales in comparison to sexual harassment of other users, and the fact that the former is what most people seem to care about with DragonFucker is kinda concerning.
I didn’t know that that stupid motherfucker sexually harassed anyone. So the former was the only one relevant to my experience.
I think I’m willing to take a stance on, You can have he him, she her, they them, it, or some mixture of those.
Generally I just wouldn’t care however seeing that community bend itself into a pretzel over an obvious troll pretty much cemented my feeling on the subject. At some point you’re no longer being tolerant and are just being gullible.
This “condensed” write up by @southernsamurai is, I feel, an excellent argument for why that isn’t true.
If you look through my various comments on this thread, you’ll see that I am…not a fan of Drag. They’re one of, again blah blah blah personal opinion, the worst types of person. Using rules in a safe space for vulnerable people against them, intentionally stirring the pot and garnering ill will across the Fed, some of it inappropriately aimed at the safe space. I’m not sure I believe that they are otherkin as they claim, but I’ll be respectful and call them what they want to be called while I tell them that drag should look dragself in the mirror and treat others with the same respect and decency befitting a fellow sentient that they weaponise the rules to force others to give them or be removed. And if drag cannot bring dragself to treat others well, cannot stop misgendering others, or telling them to KYS, Drag is not worth the piss it would take to put out a fire. But we’re presumably civilised, and I will use the terms drag wants used to refer to drag to politely tell drag to go fuck dragself off somewhere dragr behaviour is welcome. Which is definitely not here.
They and I had a talk about that. I asked what their neo-pronouns would be if they followed the three basic courtesy rules, and they responded saying I could stick to they/them. They and anyone else are free to correct me if I relapse into he/him.
Is there a link describing “the three basic courtesy rules” that doesn’t go to Xitter? I can’t access that site (and wouldn’t want to even if I could, tbh.)
I tried searching for that phrase online and found generic “etiquette” lists, but without further context I can’t tell if I’m finding the same thing you’re referring to.
Rule 1: The way of referring to oneself should be translatable between mainstream languages. You can’t blame people of other dialects for botching certain words or having no equivalent word. Something there must be accommodated for.
Rule 2: It should be six letters or shorter. It would be misusage if problems were caused because it was longer, such as creating too much bureaucratic stress.
Rule 3: No shock value is involved. I can’t imagine people referring to you as a slur based on your instruction and being indifferent to it.
this is interesting and i think it would be valuable to have discourse about this outside of distasteful characters, thanks for bringing it to attention
my initial thoughts are “what does mainstream mean lol” and “why six letters” and “what about languages that don’t use the roman alphabet”
but i appreciate the stance of respect and pragmatism this seems to come from so that’s nice
The word “mainstream” is used as opposed to oddly specific obstacles. A dialect, like, say, Mandarin is just a fact of life, as opposed to, say, encountering someone who wants you to adapt what you say into Klingon.
“Six letters” is chosen because it matches average nickname length and is a good starter point for compatibility. Letters from most alphabets can be swapped with letters into other alphabets, so that is no issue. As for logographic ones, most Mandarin characters do equal a phrase that would equal six letters.
They also said that they are not a person, but instead, a “dragon rider” which would indicate one who rides dragons. So… Is a dragon’s rider a dragon that rides dragons? A race of non-human things that ride dragons? Neither of these?
Also, take a stroll through their comment history. They are very inconsistent over the months since their account was created.
It’s almost as if they were making it up as they went along.
If they follow the rules, they are always welcome in Casual Conversation.
I do not understand the same reasons to judge them that everyone else seems to. They have never seemed antagonistic.
There are/were some instances of harassment with multiple accounts from them IIRC
How would anyone know it’s them?
Its been a while since I saw the posts, but it was not subtle at all; immediate reactionary posts from the same instance all badmouthing someone drag was arguing with, using the same phrasing and sentence structure drag uses.
These immediate reactionary posts, were they directed at various different people? Drag has been in drama and conflict with a lot of people on Lemmy. So if drag made the posts, it would make sense for them to be directed at all the people drag has had a lot of conflict with: spujb, Flying Squid, Pug Jesus…
Or, was the alt-account harassment all directed at a single user, and all at a time when that user had something to gain from playing the victim? Because if that’s the case, it seems like maybe that particular user is somehow linked to the cause of the harassment.
Coincidences do happen. I got semi-banned from a place once, and a few months afterward, someone joined with a name that was near-identical. It was a real Guy Incognito moment.
Stop tolerating their ridiculous neopronoun. It was an obvious fucking troll. Grow a spine and start calling this fucking bullshit out instead of letting it infect the LGBT communities.
Idk fam, I feel like weird use of language kinda pales in comparison to sexual harassment of other users, and the fact that the former is what most people seem to care about with DragonFucker is kinda concerning.
I didn’t know that that stupid motherfucker sexually harassed anyone. So the former was the only one relevant to my experience.
I think I’m willing to take a stance on, You can have he him, she her, they them, it, or some mixture of those.
Generally I just wouldn’t care however seeing that community bend itself into a pretzel over an obvious troll pretty much cemented my feeling on the subject. At some point you’re no longer being tolerant and are just being gullible.
This “condensed” write up by @southernsamurai is, I feel, an excellent argument for why that isn’t true.
If you look through my various comments on this thread, you’ll see that I am…not a fan of Drag. They’re one of, again blah blah blah personal opinion, the worst types of person. Using rules in a safe space for vulnerable people against them, intentionally stirring the pot and garnering ill will across the Fed, some of it inappropriately aimed at the safe space. I’m not sure I believe that they are otherkin as they claim, but I’ll be respectful and call them what they want to be called while I tell them that drag should look dragself in the mirror and treat others with the same respect and decency befitting a fellow sentient that they weaponise the rules to force others to give them or be removed. And if drag cannot bring dragself to treat others well, cannot stop misgendering others, or telling them to KYS, Drag is not worth the piss it would take to put out a fire. But we’re presumably civilised, and I will use the terms drag wants used to refer to drag to politely tell drag to go fuck dragself off somewhere dragr behaviour is welcome. Which is definitely not here.
^ pretty much sums it up.
According to “drag,” you’ve already misgendered them four times. They’d report you for this.
That’s really weird, because this is what Leni’s comment looks like on drag’s screen:
They and I had a talk about that. I asked what their neo-pronouns would be if they followed the three basic courtesy rules, and they responded saying I could stick to they/them. They and anyone else are free to correct me if I relapse into he/him.
Is there a link describing “the three basic courtesy rules” that doesn’t go to Xitter? I can’t access that site (and wouldn’t want to even if I could, tbh.)
I tried searching for that phrase online and found generic “etiquette” lists, but without further context I can’t tell if I’m finding the same thing you’re referring to.
Rule 1: The way of referring to oneself should be translatable between mainstream languages. You can’t blame people of other dialects for botching certain words or having no equivalent word. Something there must be accommodated for.
Rule 2: It should be six letters or shorter. It would be misusage if problems were caused because it was longer, such as creating too much bureaucratic stress.
Rule 3: No shock value is involved. I can’t imagine people referring to you as a slur based on your instruction and being indifferent to it.
this is interesting and i think it would be valuable to have discourse about this outside of distasteful characters, thanks for bringing it to attention
my initial thoughts are “what does mainstream mean lol” and “why six letters” and “what about languages that don’t use the roman alphabet”
but i appreciate the stance of respect and pragmatism this seems to come from so that’s nice
The word “mainstream” is used as opposed to oddly specific obstacles. A dialect, like, say, Mandarin is just a fact of life, as opposed to, say, encountering someone who wants you to adapt what you say into Klingon.
“Six letters” is chosen because it matches average nickname length and is a good starter point for compatibility. Letters from most alphabets can be swapped with letters into other alphabets, so that is no issue. As for logographic ones, most Mandarin characters do equal a phrase that would equal six letters.
They also said that they are not a person, but instead, a “dragon rider” which would indicate one who rides dragons. So… Is a dragon’s rider a dragon that rides dragons? A race of non-human things that ride dragons? Neither of these?
Also, take a stroll through their comment history. They are very inconsistent over the months since their account was created.
It’s almost as if they were making it up as they went along.
Inconsistent with their gender/pronouns or inconsistent with who they are?
To be honest, when I first met them, my first impression was they might be otherkin, though I didn’t have those exact words to say.
Inconsistent with their trolling.
That user would correct your use of they and them to drag btw.
They gave me permission to use they/them.