Jesus fucking christ dude, the insane obsession you guys over at lemmy.world have with tankies is unreal. Maybe go outside and touch some grass.
It’s always the same two instances complaining about the rest of the Fediverse not bending over to bootlick the US overworlds, and accusing the rest of somehow simping for other regimes just on the basis of opposing that. It is seriously getting tedious and insufferable.
On top of that, including lemmy.ml in there is just disingenuous. Grad and hexbear sure, they are spaces openly and deliberately created to discuss leftist politics. But there is literally nothing making lemmy.ml any less generalist than any instance, maybe other than a certain instance that is happy to ban and defederate anyone who dares question the US hegemony. You cannot bind lemmy.ml to “tankism” on any basis other than the Lemmy devs being socialist themselves despite letting anyone of any political creed use their software, unless you are dumb enough to take decontextualized meanwhileongrad-level bullshit seriously.
I moved over from .world to .ml to flee away from this American exceptionalism brainroot and, guess what? It didn’t work. I keep seeing the same constant complaints about this fictional group of Lemmy users that really like Putin and Xi or something and weaponizing those complaints to support and enact hostile actions against people and instances discussing anti-capitalist, anti-establishment policy. The only thing that changed is that now, besides that, I can also see leftists users engage in posts from my own account. So, funnily enough, the echo chamber effect became weaker after I moved to .ml.
It was a rather funny timing that this whole discussion about lemmy.ml being a hardcore tankie instance that should be widely defederated etc came to be about at the time that lemmy.world defederated lemmygrad and consequently ran out of red-flavored scapegoats to claim that they are being oppressed by some nebulous left-wing echo chamber.
I originally joined .ml excited for a less shit leftist internet space. I really gave it a chance.
But it’s the same ML brainrot you find way too often in leftist spaces. It has nothing to do with worker liberation and is just focused on relitigating the cold war and defending different tyrants. I actually spent a lot of time defending ML for leftist diversity I now understand was largely imagined. That stopped when they kept banning me for not licking the boot.
You should look at OP’s post history. They’re probably responsible for most of those posts. They’re a serious problem poster. Definitely a pro-war, pro-NATO astroturfer. Hardcore anti-leftist psycho.
idk they just seem like a bog standard Anglosphere liberal who has made “being online” their entire identity. The more time they waste posting, the less active they’ll be in the real world, so just let them rot their brains away in peace tbh.
Nah man, my initial onboarding experience was seriously influenced by interacting with .ml. you can pretend the experience of thousands of users doesn’t matter, but .ml is legitimately worse than reddit in basically every way. It’s good that influence is being diluted.
Whenever I see comments like these, and their posters are asked to ellaborate, they usually always end up with something along the lines of “Well I wanted to be transphobic in peace and they wouldn’t let me”.
I won’t ask you to elaborate. Don’t know if it’s your case, don’t care either. At this point if you are seriously attempting to conflate .ml with the other two instances you are undoubtedly engaging in bad faith. But if this wasn’t already a red flag in its own right, you went out of your way to confirm it by saying that “.ml is legitimately worse than reddit in basically every way”.
You are not “thousands of users” and it’s quite pretentious of you to project your experience onto so many people. However, by adding fuel to the constant fire of the never-ending tankie discourse on Lemmy, you are helping making this place hostile to everyone except for a very thin fraction of the political spectrum (the one that is allowed to thrive in the West), therefore making it suck on Lemmy for, you know, actual thousands of users of many different backgrounds and creeds that don’t share the rabid anti-tankie brainrot.
Where do you think ML philosophy actually exists in the open, except for the edgiest edges of the west? Like seriously, where do you think Dessalines, et al, lives?
Or are we about to go down that road where I get banned from some leftist space for espousing Dengism, because MLs are extremely ignorant of contemporary geopolitics post 1945?
“ML philosophy”, as in the somehow monolithical ideological orientation of the .ml instance, is not a thing. Regardless of what this extremely loud minority keeps crying about, the truth is that .ml admins either don’t care or are not very good at keeping “dissent” at bay. If anything, .ml is more tolerating of a wider variety of ideologies, including neoliberalism but not limited to that, which is in reality the pain point that y’all keep complaining about. .world is, by comparison, a lot more relentless at silencing dissent and maintaining a homogeneous ideology, just one that a lot of westerners are comfortable with. Lemmygrad and Hexbear are also a lot more dedicated to maintaining ideological homogeneity, but no amount of you (generic, not you in particular) pretending that .ml operates in the same exact way is going to make it true.
“ML philosophy”, as in marxism-leninism, is a branch of a wide family of marxist ideologies that has laid out the groundwork for a lot of the modern framework on how we understand society and labor. I’d believe you if you told me you haven’t seen it because it’s not mainstream; doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist or that it isn’t a fruitful field of study for sociologists. Notably, it is also not widely discredited outside of the US, a country that has a history of propagandizing exactly against this kind of thing.
I don’t understand your point about Dessalines’s place of residence? Even if you live in the US, you can be critical of the hegemonic narrative, you know. But my experience seems to be the converse to yours: This weird obsession with being concerned about tankies coming and eating you is genuinely not that strong of a thing except for extremely online edgelords. I hardly even see this kind of behavior outside of specifically westerners on Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, and Lemmy. And even then, there are more sane westerners on all these platforms who know that, in real life, the ones out to eat us all are most likely not coming exactly from that side of the spectrum.
I dunno bro, any one who has had the audacity to say something in support of Ukraine more than a few times on Lemmy has had the joyous experience of having multiple .ml users rant to them about Ukraine being run by Nazis. Or some other such nonsense.
I get that it’s unfair to generalize the entire instance. But .ml users like yourself, who consistently refuse to acknowledge the problem, act as a shield to these bad actors. Your instance has a problem, and if you all keep ignoring it, you become a safe-haven for it, and will eventually be consumed by it.
Except I have clear evidence documented of .ml’s tankieness with full context included.
Tankies are not socialists, they deny all the wrong doings of authoritarian regimes, they even deny that NK isn’t actually a dictatorship LMAO
.ml removes comments and posts for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK. How is that ok your book? I myself would love to see the fall of capitalism, but like I said before, not to just replace it with authoritarianism.
Edit: LMAO .ml unbanned and rebanned me just so that they could brigade my post lololol
Not willing to start an argument, since this whole topic about “tankies” on Lemmy is exactly as toxic, disingenuous and unproductive as it was back on Reddit, so I might not reply further than this.
But elsewhere in this thread I have seen you post “evidence” that was actually just some ridiculous meanwhileongrad thread. If we are going by those standards then I might as well pull out all the exaggerated out of context circlejerking about liberals that is common on Hexbear. If we are to drop our collective IQ to zero, we may well be playing this game in both directions. But oh wait, turns out it’s only bad when Hexbear does it to own the libs, but it’s fully solid compelling evidence when another certain instance does it about “tankies”.
The claim that .ml is censoring comments “for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK”, at the very least, does not match my experience of browsing .ml at all. But if you do have evidence as you say, I invite you to actually post it and let people discuss. It shouldn’t be hard; the modlog is public.
That said, I’m personally not interested in starting the 95474214th Lemmy argument about tankies this week on this website so don’t expect me to reply.
Another guy crying about free speech of .ml while writing on the unfederated protocol created by .ml. You guys are such a joke please go find something to do in real life rather than inventing yourself an alternate oppressed life.
Just block them if you can’t stand them but your constant crying wimping annoy me. You really have nothing going on in your life to spent some time on this right ?
Jesus fucking christ dude, the insane obsession you guys over at lemmy.world have with tankies is unreal. Maybe go outside and touch some grass.
It’s always the same two instances complaining about the rest of the Fediverse not bending over to bootlick the US overworlds, and accusing the rest of somehow simping for other regimes just on the basis of opposing that. It is seriously getting tedious and insufferable.
On top of that, including lemmy.ml in there is just disingenuous. Grad and hexbear sure, they are spaces openly and deliberately created to discuss leftist politics. But there is literally nothing making lemmy.ml any less generalist than any instance, maybe other than a certain instance that is happy to ban and defederate anyone who dares question the US hegemony. You cannot bind lemmy.ml to “tankism” on any basis other than the Lemmy devs being socialist themselves despite letting anyone of any political creed use their software, unless you are dumb enough to take decontextualized meanwhileongrad-level bullshit seriously.
I moved over from .world to .ml to flee away from this American exceptionalism brainroot and, guess what? It didn’t work. I keep seeing the same constant complaints about this fictional group of Lemmy users that really like Putin and Xi or something and weaponizing those complaints to support and enact hostile actions against people and instances discussing anti-capitalist, anti-establishment policy. The only thing that changed is that now, besides that, I can also see leftists users engage in posts from my own account. So, funnily enough, the echo chamber effect became weaker after I moved to .ml.
It was a rather funny timing that this whole discussion about lemmy.ml being a hardcore tankie instance that should be widely defederated etc came to be about at the time that lemmy.world defederated lemmygrad and consequently ran out of red-flavored scapegoats to claim that they are being oppressed by some nebulous left-wing echo chamber.
I give .ml a tiny bit more lenience (think I spelled that right).
But they do remove comments in support of ukraine which is just objectively wrong.
I originally joined .ml excited for a less shit leftist internet space. I really gave it a chance.
But it’s the same ML brainrot you find way too often in leftist spaces. It has nothing to do with worker liberation and is just focused on relitigating the cold war and defending different tyrants. I actually spent a lot of time defending ML for leftist diversity I now understand was largely imagined. That stopped when they kept banning me for not licking the boot.
You should look at OP’s post history. They’re probably responsible for most of those posts. They’re a serious problem poster. Definitely a pro-war, pro-NATO astroturfer. Hardcore anti-leftist psycho.
Go ahead, my post history is an open book lmao
idk they just seem like a bog standard Anglosphere liberal who has made “being online” their entire identity. The more time they waste posting, the less active they’ll be in the real world, so just let them rot their brains away in peace tbh.
Hey, I’m sure it pays well for them
Nah man, my initial onboarding experience was seriously influenced by interacting with .ml. you can pretend the experience of thousands of users doesn’t matter, but .ml is legitimately worse than reddit in basically every way. It’s good that influence is being diluted.
Whenever I see comments like these, and their posters are asked to ellaborate, they usually always end up with something along the lines of “Well I wanted to be transphobic in peace and they wouldn’t let me”.
I won’t ask you to elaborate. Don’t know if it’s your case, don’t care either. At this point if you are seriously attempting to conflate .ml with the other two instances you are undoubtedly engaging in bad faith. But if this wasn’t already a red flag in its own right, you went out of your way to confirm it by saying that “.ml is legitimately worse than reddit in basically every way”.
You are not “thousands of users” and it’s quite pretentious of you to project your experience onto so many people. However, by adding fuel to the constant fire of the never-ending tankie discourse on Lemmy, you are helping making this place hostile to everyone except for a very thin fraction of the political spectrum (the one that is allowed to thrive in the West), therefore making it suck on Lemmy for, you know, actual thousands of users of many different backgrounds and creeds that don’t share the rabid anti-tankie brainrot.
Where do you think ML philosophy actually exists in the open, except for the edgiest edges of the west? Like seriously, where do you think Dessalines, et al, lives?
Or are we about to go down that road where I get banned from some leftist space for espousing Dengism, because MLs are extremely ignorant of contemporary geopolitics post 1945?
“ML philosophy”, as in the somehow monolithical ideological orientation of the .ml instance, is not a thing. Regardless of what this extremely loud minority keeps crying about, the truth is that .ml admins either don’t care or are not very good at keeping “dissent” at bay. If anything, .ml is more tolerating of a wider variety of ideologies, including neoliberalism but not limited to that, which is in reality the pain point that y’all keep complaining about. .world is, by comparison, a lot more relentless at silencing dissent and maintaining a homogeneous ideology, just one that a lot of westerners are comfortable with. Lemmygrad and Hexbear are also a lot more dedicated to maintaining ideological homogeneity, but no amount of you (generic, not you in particular) pretending that .ml operates in the same exact way is going to make it true.
“ML philosophy”, as in marxism-leninism, is a branch of a wide family of marxist ideologies that has laid out the groundwork for a lot of the modern framework on how we understand society and labor. I’d believe you if you told me you haven’t seen it because it’s not mainstream; doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist or that it isn’t a fruitful field of study for sociologists. Notably, it is also not widely discredited outside of the US, a country that has a history of propagandizing exactly against this kind of thing.
I don’t understand your point about Dessalines’s place of residence? Even if you live in the US, you can be critical of the hegemonic narrative, you know. But my experience seems to be the converse to yours: This weird obsession with being concerned about tankies coming and eating you is genuinely not that strong of a thing except for extremely online edgelords. I hardly even see this kind of behavior outside of specifically westerners on Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, and Lemmy. And even then, there are more sane westerners on all these platforms who know that, in real life, the ones out to eat us all are most likely not coming exactly from that side of the spectrum.
I dunno bro, any one who has had the audacity to say something in support of Ukraine more than a few times on Lemmy has had the joyous experience of having multiple .ml users rant to them about Ukraine being run by Nazis. Or some other such nonsense.
I get that it’s unfair to generalize the entire instance. But .ml users like yourself, who consistently refuse to acknowledge the problem, act as a shield to these bad actors. Your instance has a problem, and if you all keep ignoring it, you become a safe-haven for it, and will eventually be consumed by it.
You put it perfectly, there is a lot of good people on those instances, but there is a few (very active) there that make those instances unbearable.
Except I have clear evidence documented of .ml’s tankieness with full context included.
Tankies are not socialists, they deny all the wrong doings of authoritarian regimes, they even deny that NK isn’t actually a dictatorship LMAO
.ml removes comments and posts for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK. How is that ok your book? I myself would love to see the fall of capitalism, but like I said before, not to just replace it with authoritarianism.
Edit: LMAO .ml unbanned and rebanned me just so that they could brigade my post lololol
Not willing to start an argument, since this whole topic about “tankies” on Lemmy is exactly as toxic, disingenuous and unproductive as it was back on Reddit, so I might not reply further than this.
But elsewhere in this thread I have seen you post “evidence” that was actually just some ridiculous meanwhileongrad thread. If we are going by those standards then I might as well pull out all the exaggerated out of context circlejerking about liberals that is common on Hexbear. If we are to drop our collective IQ to zero, we may well be playing this game in both directions. But oh wait, turns out it’s only bad when Hexbear does it to own the libs, but it’s fully solid compelling evidence when another certain instance does it about “tankies”.
The claim that .ml is censoring comments “for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK”, at the very least, does not match my experience of browsing .ml at all. But if you do have evidence as you say, I invite you to actually post it and let people discuss. It shouldn’t be hard; the modlog is public.
That said, I’m personally not interested in starting the 95474214th Lemmy argument about tankies this week on this website so don’t expect me to reply.
https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
That’s exactly what I put together when I post to !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
I try to capture the context + the actual modlog entry to complete the evidence
Oh and this other one I did which is a 3 in 1
https://lemmy.world/post/26047186
I was on Hexbear and am on .ml. I don’t say and I don’t see anything like what you lot bang on about.
https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
https://lemmy.world/post/26047186
You don’t see it because they’re quick to remove the things critical of their favored authoritarian regimes
Another guy crying about free speech of .ml while writing on the unfederated protocol created by .ml. You guys are such a joke please go find something to do in real life rather than inventing yourself an alternate oppressed life.
Free speech, right, free speech like this: https://lemmy.world/post/26416571
Just block them if you can’t stand them but your constant crying wimping annoy me. You really have nothing going on in your life to spent some time on this right ?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we all have our hobbies, why don’t you just block me then