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For those saying “just pirate it” some people like the option of physical media and have moral qualms about piracy. This is actually a good thing WB is doing. Just let people have their DVDs
If you own the physical DVD, fair use allows you to own a backup copy, so torrenting it in that case would not be unethical nor illegal.
You’re allowed to make your own backup, but I’m pretty sure downloading somebody else’s backup is still illegal? First time I’ve seen someone suggest otherwise, would love more details about the actual laws.
I’m not a law talking guy, but from my understanding of it, downloading isn’t illegal. But if you’re torrenting it, you’re uploading bits of it to others while you’re downloading. That would be distributing it to others, so that’s copyright infringement.
So if you could find a way to download something without uploading anything, you’d be fine. Kinda like if someone uploads copyright infringing material to youtube. You’re not going to get into hot water for watching that video, but the person who uploaded is.
It is illegal to download. If you want back ups, then you need to back it up on your own - this includes physical games as well - like NES and such.
I mean maybe technically (I’m sure it varies depending on country). But I’m not aware of any cases where they’ve ever pursued anyone for that.
It’s definitely a grey area in the US, I believe (again, no precedent set), and someone with a good lawyer could actually get a good ruling here, which would set the precedent. Which is probably why they never pursue it. I think that happened with VHS when people were taping shows in the 80s/90s (could be misremembering that).
The concept of “fair use” in general (not referring to specific interpretations of the term) definitely allows you to do this. At least how I interpret it. I am not a lawyer.
So if it were me, I’d only be concerned with the ethics, and I see nothing ethically wrong with it whatsoever. But that’s just me.
I don’t know about the US specifically, but oftentimes, and definitely where I’m from, laws can have a small amount of “common sense” leeway and judges can find justifications for rulings if they want to rule a particular way. e.g. I have pirated games that I legally bought because there’s literally no functioning “official” download link anymore, if anyone were to ever prosecute me for that, even if it were illegal technically a judge could find a way to rule it lawful out of sympathy or whatever other reason, if they wanted to. A lot of the time it’s “the government can’t have possibly intended this law to be enforced this way, therefore I rule XYZ”.
In any case, as you said, I’ve never heard of anyone being pursued for that. And if it’s not enforced, it’s not a law.
Downloading a copy would not be illegal in the US. Uploading a copy to someone would likely be illegal.
I have bought then pirated media like this in many instances, usually because piracy is a better user experience, once because outdated DRM completely broke
Yeah, that is a very valid option! I don’t like it when people not into collecting do it, though. Because it makes zero logical sense for a digital copy to be tied to a physical thing, unless you like the sentimental value of said physical thing as well.
Fuck off, these people already own it at this point, so there is no such moral qualms. They paid for it. As for physical media, do you think only these companies can burn ISOs to DVD???
be ye shill or bootlicker, may thou be cast at great speed into our Goddess and saviour Sol
Shockingly good news from a media corp. Paramount would just steal your discs and tell you to pound sand
As would Sony and Disney. It is surprising that WB is doing this.
Thanks for the reminder that I own DVDs
I forgot all about them in storage
I knew WB’s HD-DVDs (remember those?) were a timebomb. I didn’t realize regular DVDs were, too.
All optical media is.
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It doesn’t matter. If the CD/DVD works, copy it immediately. If not, so sorry.
or just pirate it whenever.
Yeah seriously; never understood why a certain sector of people obsess over backing up their personal media, when you can literally download a perfect copy straight from the internet with no effort on your part. Especially when it comes to widely-available media like popular Hollywood films or video games that sold well. Just grab a torrent and toss the disc.
Pirated copies rarely contain any of the extras. Some people actually do watch those.
Extras are something I miss from modern movie distribution.
After finishing a movie you could watch the deleted scenes and behind the scenes and such. I rarely did the commentary watch of the movie but it was cool that it was there.
They’re also generally lower quality
If you only need popular shows in english sure.
Plenty of older things which where made for localized television cannot be found online but can be found in public libraries.
And some hard to find movies can be lost forever because nobody have them anymore
Because these people often don’t want to pirate. In Germany the government now fines you for piracy, using a common VPN isn’t enough anymore. Then there are other factors such as remasters and changes.
Fight Club, The Matrix, The Terminator and Star Wars are all popular films but there are several versions out there with different color grades and special effects. So I completely understand why this subset of people would want to keep their version of the movie.
In Germany the government now fines you for piracy, using a common VPN isn’t enough anymore.
Why isn’t a common zero-logs VPN enough? How would the government know? Encrypted VPN traffic can’t be decrypted, at least until we have quantum computers, right?
or even a seedbox in another country.
Are they cracking down on I2P?
Fight Club, The Matrix, The Terminator and Star Wars
Yes, and you can find perfect exact copies of all versions of these movies if you look in the right places
You also have to deal with whatever settings the uploader decided to use when they transcoded the original rip. Which can mess with the color grade and contrast ratio, the hdr grading, introduce noise, and otherwise fuck with the video quality and audio quality.
Most people won’t care, but to some it matters.
remuxes are not hard to find.
Some prefer different languages or options. For many animations like Disney and DreamWorks children like to watch in native language, while adults like to occasionally watch in original language. Native language as pirated version are hard to come by these days.
Well, those online copy’s either originate from someone sharing their backed up collection or a camera pointed at the TV.
Sure, but the point is someone’s already done it.
Most of what I download are webrips, though.
Buying music CD and either ripping to flac or pirating flac after it (physically) arrived to keep it sealed.
Right? Oh no, my disc rot, good thing I have 3 backups.
I just checked one of my dvd shelf and two WB movies that should be in excellent condition were little bit sticky from both sides. This feels like a flashback to when Arturia’s hardware keys and knobs started to ”melt” after few years. Companies use cheapest plastics possible.
Welp, guess I’m digging out my complete SG1 collection tonight.
I have to watch them all, you say? No, honey, this is important work I’m doing here. 😎
It’s an investment
Over the Top (dvd in photo) is an excellent movie.
I didn’t know DVDs are supposed to last 100 years. That’s definitely not the case with newer storage media, be it BluRay, hard disks or even worse SSDs.
Modern Blurays should actually last longer than DVDs. Bluray M-Discs supposedly even last 1000 years. 100 years for DVDs is pretty optimistic. 20-50 years is more realistic.
How does one find the manufacturing date of the discs?
Cut it open and count the rings
If you turn the disc over, you can actually count the rings without needing to cut into it! This lets you skip having to glue the disc back together after checking the age.
