Oh noez! Anyway…
I feel like unless you bought an Incel Camino or a brand new Tesla like in the last year, you really shouldn’t be on the receiving end of quite so much hate, TBH. They were the car that finally got EVs off the ground as an acceptable alternative, so it’s a shame early adopters are possibly being lumped in with MAGA truck owners.
Leaf was the first “off the ground”. Tesla were the first to show that production EVs weren’t limited to boring econoboxes.
Anyway, you can filter out early adopters because they didn’t have factory anti-chrome, so if you see a shiny trim around the windows - it’s probably got a pre-public meltdown era owner.
The leaf did such a disservice to EVs that the world would probably have been better off without it. It was ugly, it was slow, it had no range, it had no battery cooling so degradation was awful, and charging was slow to boot.
We wouldn’t be here without it though. It did a decent job popularizing EVs, much better than i-Miev for example.
Would we though? The model S was only ~2 years away and that was the first EV people took seriously.
The leaf was affordable, but depreciation hit so hard that buying one new was only for actually insane people. And the battery degradation was almost as bad as the price degradation so your meh range became even worse. In ideal conditions it was fine, but anything worse and it was not a good option.
I’m not a time traveller so I can’t say for sure, but cars lile Chevy Bolt and Renault Zoe wouldn’t be the same, since Leaf showed that there was demand for small BEV hatches and battery cooling systems
Most of those were fixed with gen 2 but the one the two that really matter were not fixed: no water cooling and the CHAdeMO charging. What is worse is that they still didn’t fix it over the last 8 years with a newer generation when it was clear those were both nonstarters. Instead they came out with the overpriced Arya which is much worse than the competition.
But make no mistake, the Leaf back in 2011 was a game changer. It showed that your commuter car could very much be an EV.
A lot of that is why I have kind of always resented the tesla marketing even before we k new musk was a hateful sexpest. My uncle had one of the early models before they added a lot of the safety features and it was REAL fun to go basically have instantaneous acceleration… and he would probably have died from that if he didn’t die from cancer instead.
But very quickly they made the argument that people need giant batteries and massive range. And that still permeates today. And the reality is that, no, people don’t. The vast majority of driving is commuting which tends to be more stop and go than not and just making charging stations in parking lots more ubiquitous would go a REALLY long way. No, not the super chargers. Just simple slow as hell level 1 and 2 chargers. And that would cover basically everyone 6.9 days a week outside of the folk with REALLY long commutes.
Where long range and super fast charging DOES help is for people doing long road trips and… folk think they are gonna be in their 30s and 40s driving 12 hours straight with only a stop to dump their piss bottle at a gas station. The reality is that by the time you are even considering a “new” car, you are probably also going to be more likely to stop for lunch or have kids to deal with where 30-40 minutes for a full recharge makes a lot more sense.
But instead we got into the mindset that you need a massive battery so you only charge up once a week and when you do it is a 10 minute recharge because even that is too long to wait.
I occasionally think of an alternate timeline where we realized that was stupid and instead L1/2 charging stations were a lot more popular and pretty much every major manufacturer switched to plug-in hybrids. Yeah, their battery tends to be shite compared to a “real” EV but people vastly underestimate how much you get from regenerative braking under real world conditions. Couple years back I had a rental toyota sedan and ended up driving all around Ontario for the better part of a week on like half a tank of gas and it was insane. And the needle literally did not move the entire time I was in Toronto or even frigging London.
people vastly underestimate how much you get from regenerative braking under real world conditions
From what I’ve heard and read, that’s why the original Opel Ampera/Chevy Volt was so beloved.
and pretty much every major manufacturer switched to plug-in hybrids
Nowadays we have new Honda (and Nissan but who cares tbh) hybrids where the engine doesn’t drive the wheels 99% of the time. So we’re intersecting with that timeline a lil bit lol
That’s actually pretty cool to know. Thanks!
Tbh there was also a time where I was under the assumption that all the big car manufacturing CEOs are probably not much better, Elon was just stupid enough to be open about it. For that I’m willing to give the benefit of doubt unless they recently got a Tesla brand new or have the PS1 graphics car.
The only reason EV’s never got off the ground in the US is because the auto industry was shutting that shit down every step of the way. Iirc a few people even got disappeared. There are numerous documentaries out there.
I agree though, going after regular folks just because they bought a car isn’t cool. People should stay focused on the actual fascis7s.
I’m kinda conflicted about this. On the one hand, selling a car takes time and energy, and might not necessarily be feasible to do in just a few months, especially since the market for em is going to SUCK. On the other hand, if you continue to drive a car from a company owned by a literal Nazi once you know, then… well I don’t feel too bad for you.
I switched to EVs in 2014, and went fully electric in 2018. My problem is that there still isn’t a good alternative I can use for long distance trips for my family of 7. I’d love to switch to something like the Kia EV9, but I almost have my current car paid off, and can’t afford another $80k car. I’m conflicted, because I don’t want to switch back to a gas car, and I believe my current power company is on track to be 50% sustainable/renewable in 5-10 years. I feel like it could take me years as opposed to months to find a replacement EV that works for me.
Rent a van the few times you need one
… What tesla are you fitting 7 people into these days?
Because they only have one vehicle that isn’t a sedan and… he was a full mask off hatemonger long before the cybertruck actually hit market.
The only 7-seater available in 2018 was the Model X. Yes, it was clear he was an asshole as far back as 2018, but he was still a huge proponent of mitigating climate change (in hindsight it was clearly a grift for him), so at the time I thought it was a net positive. I used up a lot of my savings to afford it, so it would be difficult for me to switch to anything that isn’t a gas car.
Sell their cars to who BEN? Aquaman?
In the end someone will own the car and be f’ed because of it. The seller will take a huge financial loss because other people think it helps to force people to make bad financial decisions while Tesla already has the money.
Here’s the thing, if you own a Tesla, it’s already been depreciated through elon’s actions. You just haven’t realised (in the accounting sense) the loss yet.
The fact is that they are being targeted, so selling now is a method of hedging your losses. The other option is to gamble that you won’t be targeted.
People showing exactly where they draw the class line in here lmao
Anyone got the address? I want to add it to my block list so I never get tempted to visit it.
The article doesn’t say if it’s targeting recent Tesla buyers or all owners.
Most current Tesla owners are not MAGAs and bought when they were marketed as a green vehicle.
Musk has been acting nazi for quite some time.
I think most people weren’t fully aware until recently. You had to be active online or actually look for information to see it was more than just rich billionaire syndrome. We all live in bubbles and some people didn’t get to hear about all the details with the 2019 pedo submarine incident Nowadays it would be very difficult to argue you didn’t know but bought a Tesla because it’s in your face.
For context, the model S was first sold in 2012, the model x in 2015, model 3 in 2017 and Y in 2020.
So the model 3 was released when he was a Trump advisor, and the Y when he openly started spreading conspiracy theories non stop.
As for the “we didn’t know” excuse it’s as bullshit now has it was in 1945.
All owners that they can find in various leaks/databases when I checked last week.
And musk has been a known evil dipshit since at least 2018 when he threw a hissy fit because the divers who rescued those kids didn’t use musk branded products. He accused one of the divers of being a pedophile and actively devoted resources to “proving” this.
Let alone the countless stories of musk being a sex pest (remember having to buy a woman a pony because of whatever he did to her?)
So, at best, people can argue “I didn’t care enough to do any research on what I bought and accidentally enabled a nazi.”. At which point… I really don’t give a fuck? Its the same as the people who couldn’t be bothered to do any research and were surprised to hear that biden apparently wasn’t on the ballot.
Their apathy is causing untold horror to at risk groups and the global economy. So they can go fuck themselves.
And, totally anecdotal: I have seen fucked up teslas in parking lots next to un-fucked ones that just had a “I bought this before he went insane” or “I hate him too” bumper sticker.
I can honestly say I don’t research the political affiliations and actions of every CEO of every product I purchase.
You can’t argue with these people, anyone who owns a tesla deserves to have it destroyed in their minds.
Okay? Then don’t expect me or anyone else to research the political affiliation of the owner of the tesla we see on the street to decide if they are a hateful pro-nazi prick or not?
Germans in 1945: Sorry I am not political.
Russians 2022: Not political.
USA 2025: I did not know, it was only in the media for years everywhere.
Actual 90% of Americans: I’m busy trying to survive daily life working essentially paycheck to paycheck, maybe working two or three jobs and a side gig to make ends meet, commuting over an hour each way to work, being overly stressed from work, having to pay for some of the most expensive healthcare on the planet even with work provided insurance, and never able to afford to take a real vacation or even time to sit back and look at anything not directly part of my daily struggles to survive in current society. When I do look around, half of politics is telling me I’m lazy and the other half is talking about things that don’t affect my daily struggles.
Meanwhile both of the groups say the other is lying all the time and I don’t have the time or energy to look into it before I have to get to bed so I can get up and do it all over again tomorrow. And in the morning, my car breaks down again, and repairing it wipes out the little savings I did manage to have for a while. Now I’m worried that I might be fired because I am late to work again because of car trouble and lack of good public transit options.
Our society has been manufactured over the last 100 years to get people to the point we don’t have the free time or enough money to effectively see what’s happening and fight back without having to completely destroy our lives in the process.
If you put yourself above others, which almost everyone does, then yes, that is the logical conclusion. There is nothing you can do, as everything you do might make it worse for you. So regardless of how obviously better in the grand scheme of things, people do not do it. That is how almost every human “is programmed” and I do not know if we will every get beyond this primitive thinking.
Elon was a dipshit in 2018 yes… So are 90% of CEOs, and 100% of modern “Republicans”. Most just aren’t as publicly vocal because they don’t make themselves the face of their brands. The Republican party hasn’t actually supported their stated viewpoints in decades, and few members of the general public have noticed. They just take what they’re told and allowed the shift.
Being a dipshit is different from actively supporting a fascist takeover of the government. Regardless of what you might want to claim, there is a shift there. You’re an idiot if you can’t see the public shift in the last few years. He may always have been this way,but he wasn’t as vocally and publicly supportive of it. It used to just be shit takes on events for publicity, not the active lead of the country’s destruction.
Cool story bro.
They can sell. They can trade. If they want to continue to own a Nazi car, they should be prepared for the consequences.
Sell it to whom, Ben?
Fucking aquaman?
Google says you can sell it to a dealer or a used car service like carmax.
Is that going to be a bit of a hassle? Yeah. You know what else is going to be a bit of a hassle? Needing to pretend you aren’t the gender you are because the government has painted a target on your head for choosing happiness. Or hoping nobody decides to take away the green card you worked your ass off to earn.
And is the value going to be dropping? Yeah. So get on that. Plenty of us are getting on finding ways to emigrate to countries that are less horrifically fucked and speedrunning their way to gilead and we know those slots are gonna dry up. And we are the privileged ones who even have a chance at doing this.
So “it is hard and I might lose a bit of money and it isn’t my fault I couldn’t be bothered to care until now” is a load of horse shit. And people wonder why I, and so many others, just laugh-cry whenever people talk about how this upcoming thing is totally going to flip the switch and get America to riot in the streets.
You should go outside and touch some grass friend
If you care about being consistent, you should probably smash your computer right now since you used Google, and Google CEOs are on the Trump train too.
All major companies have blood on their hands. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
To my knowledge, only one company’s CEO is publicly heiling hitler and actively destroying a government and killing children by defunding aid programs in a manner that violates the constituion.
And, personally? I do make it a point to avoid giving money to the REALLY bad companies. In a lot of cases that is just not possible because of the late stage capitalism hellscape we live in. But when I have the choice between some Popeyes and some chikfila? One of those companies openly funds MUCH worse things than the other and walking a block farther is, quite frankly, the least I can do.
But, instead, we need to celebrate people supporting evil through apathy and then actively defend them when protests are happening? Y’all were the ones who were talking about how kyle rittenhouse is a bad person but he had a point about being worried about the guy who owned the Target on 5th street, huh?
Because what does this say to our LGBTQ+ friends (assuming everyone involved has some…) or the people being illegally deported and sent to internment camps when the biggest pushback is “Whoa. Your protesting might inconvenience me and is thus bad”?
What the fuck is wrong with people?
Lots of stuff.
We’re easily manipulated, and way too eager in general to choose our own short term gain over the good of the collective.
Individualism is weakness, not strength.
