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Cake day: June 10th, 2023

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  • The way marriage is set up presently, it is made for the needs of a majority, but there are many outliers.

    Firstly, of course many people cohabit very happily for a lifetime, there’s no requirement to get married. They settle their affairs with bespoke agreements property contracts and wills. It works fine for them - it’s just a bit more complex than the standard package that marriage presents , but not a real problem.

    Don’t want marriage, but quite fancy the tax benefits? In the UK you can opt for a Civil Partnerships which handles most of the outliers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_partnership_in_the_United_Kingdom

    Bottom line -for people who want to get married, there’s marriage. For people who want to formally merge most of their financial affairs and tax obligations, there is civil partnership, for everyone else, there are bespoke legal and financial arrangements and contracts.

    No compulsion, no loss of autonomy (other than mutually agreed) and certainly no slavery.

    Good, eh?


  • So, your actual problem is the legal expense and legal hassles involved in divorce?

    Many/most of these are to do with the painful untangling of shared resources and responsibilities that come from sharing a life and resources. Marriage simplifies many things for two people - ‘we own this thing together’ becomes much simpler with marriage. The legal process of negotiating whether 20 or 40 or 50% of the house belongs to partner A is what tends to cause the pain.



  • A relationship is work.

    Absolutely. And it’s an oath is just a commitment to work at it, and not just throw up hands at the earliest opportunity

    There is no right to the rest of someone’s life on either side should they change their mind or evolve in different directions;

    It’s not a “a right to another’s life” it’s a commitment to a shared life. And yes, that commitment can not work out, which is why divorce is now thankfully pretty easy.

    that is slavery

    Not using any common definition of the word, no.

    I have no right to stop them. This is true equality and freedom. It is a fundamental human right.

    See, divorce - above. Some marriages don’t work out, or are abusive. That doesn’t mean there’s no value in marriage.


  • I think you are getting downvoted because you framed it in terms of ‘entitled to get a wife’. It it is usually similarly beneficial/problematic for both partners. I have a work colleague from India who is probably going to have a marriage arranged for him in the next year. It’s not something he particularly wants, but it’s traditional so he’ll probably go through with it. It doesn’t really feel like he is benefitting from the patriarchy 🙂



  • It’s not clear to my why you draw parallels with slavery. Spending a massive sum on the days is not an intrinsic prerequisite for marriage, neither is a dowry.

    All marriage is, is a formal public oath between two people to spend the rest of their lives together, to look after each other and to share resources.

    As an institution, it has many benefits including to the married people’s health. It also negefurs the state in that the mutual commitment to care it tends to reduce healthcare and social costs. So the state may provide some benefits.

    The main disadvantage is that she stacks the dishwasher wrong.















  • You mean the ones who routinely come out saying how X corporation stole their work and they received nothing for it?

    Yes.The ones who routinely use copyright to get some form of payment. I know several people who had their photographs reublished by the Daily Mail and subsequently got payment. It happens. It’s an imperfect system, but still one that allows small artists to make a living.

    he amount of times an artist “wins” in the system vs a corporation is laughable.

    I mean, it really isn’t. It’s the entire backbone of an industry whereby, for example a photographer or illustrator can supply woirk to a magazine on a single use license. It’s how people who supply photo libraries make a living. It’s how small bands have at least some protection.