Wow look at that you said something that wasn’t totally braindead, and actually managed to not stereotype all Palestinians as religious extremist terrorists! Great job!
Now focus your energy on the oppressor instead of blaming Israel and Hamas equally, and maybe read a book on the situation before u keep talking about it.
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Almost like you just ignore evidence that yea, Sunni Muslim populations who welcome Shar’ia law don’t provide good lives for women by definition.
Where in any of my comments did I ignore that? You’re the one ignoring oppression of women by being dismissive of the oppression of Palestinians.
You understand how intersectional feminism works, right? You understand how extremist groups like Hamas have substantially more power and support because of the oppression of the Palestinian people, right? Oh no, you don’t. You’re totally uneducated on the situation there, and shouldn’t be speaking on it until you take the time to read a damn book.
You also ignored my question about what Hamas would do to Israel if they had more weapons / power.
Because it’s an idiotic question. The reason Hamas exists at all is Israeli oppression and attempted genocide of Palestinians, the reason Hamas became a terrorist group attacking civilian targets is Israeli oppression. Hamas doesn’t exist without absolutely disproportionate Israeli violence. Israel DOES have the power, and IS suppressing. “What if” Hamas was as powerful as Israel is an absolutely idiotic question to pose that does nothing to help discussion, nothing to educate, IT ADDS NOTHING TO THE CONVERSATION and demonstrates an utter lack of education on the nature/origins of the conflict. Therefore it’s a stupid fucking question that didn’t deserve an answer, but because you’re so fucking dense, there.
You’re the one confusing Palestine and Hamas. Israel is attacking the Gaza strip which is run by Hamas.
Wow congratulations you know something! Yes Gaza is run by Hamas. Doesn’t mean that everyone living there is Hamas, headass. Most people are just Palestinians. Thats like saying "you’re confusing Jews and Israel, the nation of Israeli is an extremist government. Like yeah no shit.
So I’m saying “idiotic shit”
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Israel’s actions are unjustifiable, and for you to say otherwise shows your complete and utter lack of education on the topic at hand.
Don’t comment any more on this thread please, you’re too ignorant and will only be contributing to misinformation.
Next time I’ll play the part of the jester and say idiotic shit and you can play the part of the person who is actually educated on the topic at hand.
Palestine≠Hamas.
Palestine is a country/people, Hamas is an extremist religious group that controls a portion of Palestinian territory right now.
Funny how you COMPLETELY IGNORED the source I shared which discussed exactly how that circumstance affects women’s rights. And chose not to speak at all about the ongoing struggle for gender equality or equality for Palestinians. But instead chose to focus on your hatred for an extremist militant organization while equivocating that as representing an entire people who cannot possibly be represented by them due to the very nature of the situation.
Almost like, in all your comments, you were never actually concerned about women’s rights, but were just looking to excuse your bigotry.
So you don’t care about any other human rights, only rights for women, right? So if a country doesn’t have a perfect gender equality track record, I can’t be upset at injustices happening to Palestinian people because some Palestinians are religious extremists.
What does that remind me of? Oh yeah, blatant racism.
Still waiting on a source that says people have been stoned to death for dressing inappropriately in Palestine. You completely ignored that.
I have no doubt there is religious extremism and I understand that freedoms for women and overall freedom in Palestine are far from perfect. But a large reason religious extremist groups in Palestine have as much power as they do is thanks to Israel’s suppression causing more extremism, so if you ACTUALLY care about women’s rights in Palestine, you’d be advocating for Israel to end their oppression.
Im not silly enough to think that if these abrahamic relgions spread that I will be spared.
But you are silly enough to think that they’re gonna spread and affect you. Right now, they don’t. RIGHT NOW, the Israeli government is continuing it’s apartheid state, oppressing indigenous people.
And because you can’t be assed to look anything up, I’ll copy-paste for you:
Palestinian women’s struggle for gender equality and women’s rights is restricted by two main interrelated forces: the Israeli occupation, and internal patriarchal control. Women activists in Palestine are fighting simultaneously on two fronts for political (national) and social (gender) liberation. They remain sceptical of a feminist agenda that primarily focuses on individual and social gender empowerment and instead insist that gender inequality in their context stems not only from patriarchal oppression, but from poverty, economic dependency, continued political violence, insecurity and instability caused by Israeli occupation, siege and settler-colonial policies. Israeli occupation policies of territorial (and political) fragmentation, spatial separation and mobility restrictions have systematically dispossessed, occupied and destroyed Palestinian living spaces, breaking up Palestinian territory into several unconnected and isolated cantons. Such policies of spatial control have a severe damaging impact on Palestinian economy (Roy, 2004), society, family and kinship organisation (Johnson, 2006), but also on women’s activism. Women are not only divided geographically (between - and within - the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem and the Diaspora), but, more importantly, their contexts and predicaments are widely varying: refugees, West Bank and Gaza ‘citizens’, East Jerusalemites and Palestinians with Israeli citizenship all have different access to rights. This wide variation and fragmentation complicates women activists’ efforts to organise a united agenda. While the specificities of refugees and ‘citizens’ in the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem will be drawn out, this note does not cover Palestinian women’s rights and issues of gender equality inside Israel or the Diaspora. Women’s rights in Palestine thus cannot be dealt with in isolation; the impact that the occupation and political conflict have on women’s legal, social, cultural, educational, economic and political status is crucial when looking for possible strategies to empower women. This is not to say that patriarchal structures and cultures are not a major concern for Palestinian women’s activists. To the contrary, it highlights that women’s empowerment in the Palestinian context and their struggle for equal rights is closely linked to their political and economic empowerment which can only be achieved by ending the Israeli occupation.
But if I went to Palestine in the body I currently inhabit, I’d be raped and stoned in the streets for the way I dress.
I obviously don’t know how you dress, but could you provide a source saying that someone has (at least somewhat recently) been stoned to death in Palestine for the way they dress?
I tried researching this myself because it sounded like some bigotry based on absolutely nothing, and I found nothing. I did find several articles about a Palestinian woman who was stoned by Israelis, and obviously Palestine has lots of issues related to religion, but saying you’d be “stone for what you’re wearing” is a pretty bold claim to make
I’ve seen videos of children of both cultures calmly telling tourists they should die, that god will kill them, that the children themselves would kill them if they could.
Okay, so you hate religion, got it. I’m not big on religion myself, especially when religion is entwined with govt, but that doesn’t mean I go around being a centrist in a conflict which has a clear aggressor and a clear overall victim. Even tho both do suffer from the situation, Palestine is absolutely the victim here.
If their cultures grow and succeed they wont care that you helped, they’ll use their power to subjugate you to their god all the same.
How about - since that’s complete conjecture and based on nothing but your personal biases and distate for religion, we cross that bridge when we get there and currently worry about the apartheid state that’s carried out much of stages 0-8 of genocide against the Palestinian people.
Correct. So let’s call terrorism terrorism and not apply that label to an entire indigenous population because members of a militant extremist group committed terrorism, mkay? Glad I had to spell that out for you.
Lebanon, 1982. IDF forces laid siege to Beirut, killing ~5,000 Lebanese civilians completely uninvolved in the conflict, because Israel wanted to make a statement.
Then the Israeli army is just a terrorist group, then? You’re the one that wanted to be reductionist and call people terrorists, I just responded with a reductionist response because your comment didn’t deserve more. But if the condition for being a terrorist group is “killing innocent civilians and people uninvolved” BOY DO YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY PUT YOUR FACE IN A BOOK.
Okay Zionist, that doesn’t make them the indigenous people to the area.
Yeah congratulations on completely missing the point of my last comment. I was making fun of how absurd and pointless your comment was.
You do know that each time, the Palestinians are the ones with the larger death toll and the disadvantage in technology and equipment, right?
WOW, REAAALLLYYYY? After reading multiple books on the history of the conflict, I HAD NO CLUE! Thank you for enlightening me, oh educated one!
I’m not your research assistant, but the book 100 Years War on Palestine can give you some much-needed perspective.
Wow it’s almost as if Palestinians want to return to their fucking homes that they were forced out of, Jesus what a shocker, zomg
Yeah I fuckin fully support killing toddlers no matter the situation it’s always okay.
And Zionism isn’t strictly religious, it’s a settler-colonial movement/project.
Britain didn’t own it, they “controlled” it as a result of the fallout of WW1 (Palestine was previously part of the Ottoman Empire).
Because you didn’t add anything to the conversation. Please give me some actual information on the Palestine-Israel situation that I don’t know so I can fucking learn something.
Not true at all, and I never claimed Palestine = innocent victim, you’re putting words in my mouth like idiots do when they’re losing an argument. You have to argue against shit I didn’t say to have a response that isn’t “you’re right I should educate myself on this topic which I have demonstrated I know far less about”.
You’re the one that ignored my request for a source on women in Palestine being stoned.
We’re not speaking out loud so of course I didn’t say that out loud, fucking genius.
And again, the fact that you would make that statement at all showcases your complete and utter lack of understanding of the nature of the conflict. It’s painfully obvious how fucking ignorant you are. Hamas actually started out trying to work things out through diplomatic channels, but Israel went behind their backs, cut them out, and intentionally sabotaged peace talks throughout the history of the conflict. They started adopting the horrific methods employed today after many attempts by many members to resolve things without violence.
I’m not going to explain the entire history of the Palestine-Israel conflict to you, but Palestinians (not all, some are militant) have been striving for and advocating for peace at the hands of their oppressor Israel who murders many times more innocent people, YOU JUST DON’T WANT TO HEAR IT.
I don’t wonder which of us is arriving at an informed worldview, it’s the one reading books and informing themselves on situations before commenting on them. (not you)