Bin Laden said he did 9/11 to bring attention to the Palestinians suffering. So supporting zionism is how we got 9/11. About two and a half decades later we havent learned a single thing. If anything we care less about human lives all the time.

Agreed, but also-- Better be real sure a ball gargling is what you’d be OK with before you suggest that to him.

If we could harvest the Dem leaderships lack of energy to do anything we might be able to create vacuum energy or antimatter.

Giant meteor is what we need.

Even out of power they still find a way to give hand jobs for industry donations and casually screw the public. I admire their energy.

eh. OK, thats fair. I suppose it could have been ground control error.

I’m pretty pissed that an army blackhawk was anywhere near a commercial jet’s flightpath. Who do these moron army pilots and pentagon bigwig dickheads think they are? Our government has been a crooked clownshow for a while now but now its the military as well? If everyone on the helicopter wasnt already dead I’d be looking for some jail time for the helicopter people. Heck of a job.

And Vances response is an ask for everyone to “say a prayer?” Is that some sort of joke? What an arsehole.

thats capitalisms dark secret. Its only innovative when it has to be.

well if we cant have a meteor a new global epidemic will have to do.

Rock bottom? it hasnt even started yet. If this was a night out, like when you go to a fancy restaurant – we’d be at the point where we’re just sitting down they give you an amuse-bouche (its a palate cleanser snack thinger). Only the amuse-bouche is a turd in this case. Drinks, appetizers, courses, all steamed turds. And let me get the dessert menu for you.

I have to forfeit. just went to 3 stores, no eggs to be had till wednesday I heard. I guess you win, and you get all my leftover eggs.

When is it “neccessary” to poach an egg instead of hard boil? I guess the 70s was a strange time. It was half a century ago and no one had computers or cell phones back then. I think people sat around and played monopoly.

One bottle a day per person. Boooo. Maybe get the double sized bottle then. The cheap ones they sell at the drugstore. And drinking wine and coffee in the same meal, nice. Maybe mix them together. It says chablis only, a regional subset of chardonays. Seems a little bit strict-- I again blame the 70s.

OK damnit, I’m in with you OP. First one to -5 pounds (or death) wins. Shall we bet?

It is an action yes. But you presume to ascribe what it means for everyone and thats not how understanding a population of voters ideas works. You are thinking we all live in your head and we just dont.

To some it means, “I wont vote for that level of effing far right wing immorality, especially not from inside whats supposed to be a left leaning party.”

Or to others: “I wont be held hostage by DNC fuckheads so they can get whatever awful outcome they want, since they target the party being just to the left of fascism. They created and control this trolley problem nonsense.”

Or: “I dont like fascism in either party, thanks. Eff both the parties.”

And for people like yourselves it means, "I will do whatever these people tell me, including condoning war crimes and racism, so I can ‘win’ ". Thats just a reflection of who YOU are, @generalemergency. Not everyone else. And the people of your philosophical camp Lost. And maybe lost the country to fascism too. You effing lost, and now you’re here smugly lecturing as if you understand anyone, or even yourself.

It was leaderships job to read the demographics and polling and understand how to get to a win and they arrogantly didnt do that. It wouldnt even have been hard, and a win was very possible. Bidenists fundamentally misunderstood how to lead a coalition, and imperiously and arrogantly thought they could order people to vote for war crimes. Turns out that didnt work. Maybe they should have done their effing jobs instead of sniffing their own thrones.

Whenever its authorities doing wrongdoing its “alleged”. When its anyone else they call them “perpetrators”, or “Wanted for X”. Our law enforcement badly needs adult supervision and they havent gotten it. Ever.

Send all of them.

I think fascism just needs an out-group to pursue. It doesnt have to always be jews. I imagine in the US it will be black people and/or mexicans.

Is it though? we all claim to hate nazis (largely because of their genocide), but talk about halting a different genocide and suddenly the dems have all wandered off or are staring intently at their shoes.

I know this has been debated in detail, and you probably understand this but dont agree with it, but to explain one more time, many people see a difference between personally acting in support of an immoral action in order to to game toward a better outcome as less desirable than not acting at all.

As an example: if the choice is for them to participate in murdering 10 people or murdering 100-- with no other option given, the only option for them is to sit down and not make either choice, and let the chips fall where they may. The difference for them lies in part to them having to actively participate in these murders. For christians, “thou shalt not kill” doesn’t have caveats. Many other religions and beliefs also have something similar.

You probably disagree and would say refusing to kill the 10 puts the blood of 90 on their hands, but their personal morality doesnt allow them to make that choice.
I do get your point.

Hate them, call them stupid…dirty hippies… whatever. But there are enough of them on the dem side that the dems cant afford to ignore their votes.

Biden Harris and the centrists were also warned. All they had to do was the right thing but they couldnt be bothered. Now we all get to suffer together.

All Harris needed to do was change her position on that to win. How on earth was she so dumb?