You don’t get the be the biggest ensurer that offers the most affordable plans by just focusing on your clients experience as its really the companies who decide for their employees mainly. I do think a company who doesn’t engage in this shitty behavior has it harder in this market thats clearly not regulated properly

Wait sorry about the last sentence. I phrased this completely different than what I wanted to say. Thats on me. I do NOT want the discussion to simmer down. I don’t want this death to have been for nothing and I do want change.

Still he became CEO 2022 and many of those denial policies have been enacted internally before that. Hitler was the dictator and above the law. He made the law and was the only instance of power. If Brian Thompsons primary objective was to kill then I’d support it. But I don’t think it was. I think this system is at fault for it all the the politicians need to change it likes stated. But I don’t think we’ll reach a conclusion here honestly. You think self-justice is justified. I think its not. Thats the point I’ll stick with.

The EU. I don’t use google search. I use a degoogled android rom firefox and only use the bare minimum of google search engines. I think the government should promote conditions where fair competition against google is actually possible.

I’m all for legislation that properly makes companies price in external effects. What I do not support is the state taking an active role in the market. Legislation is created for a reason but needs to be reformed and slimmed down once in a while. The government does not adjust fast enough imo and I think it should focus on core tasks instead of creating search engines.

So much for having a reasonably discussion. Calling me a hopeless nerd. You sure must be fun to be around.

Its not just an server name since the moderators there remove stuff that doesn’t fit their narrative and people with according ideology often are on these servers. It makes a real difference. You can check it out because users that find an instance that fits their personal beliefs create their account there and its a Marxist Leninist community. But you don’t actually seem to care.

Look, the goverment is good at providing a good starter set of things you need for life. Infrastructure has no real competition so the infrastructure needs to be state owned since we can’t have it fail. I would look favorably if the government funded an open initiative to build a FOSS search index… but I think a search engine isn’t something like core infrastructure that can only reasonably exist once.

Besides… SearxNG is just a relay engine and if every european used it and relayed the search request to other search engines without them getting a dime I don’t think that would be fair.

Lemmy also isn’t developed by the state. It might get funding from the goverment but thats a very different thing - Core research that doesn’t have a straight up ROI is also one of the things where everyone benefits of it long term falls under something the government should do. I just don’t think the government is good at running an economical business and I can’t imagine living in a country where every company was like state-run with a top-down system. Competition is good, what we have is a lack of competition

I have switched away from google mostly. Most people can do so too. Yes they do have a monopoly on search and I think the government should take steps to ensure fair competition but I don’t think the ban hammer should be wielded this lightly. If they pay the fine. Searxng is just a relay search engine and I doubt it is legal for such a big instance to use search engines as back end, have them run it for free and then have the people use Searx instead.

Because our legal system is made in a way where they technically are not a crime

They use bing tho. I personally like Qwant as they fall under GDPR and are european. Also they are working on building an independent search index.

Reddit search engine? Hell nah I want more federated communities. Reddit has a contract with google anyways that blocks out foreign web crawlers.

List a country with a decent population of like at least 50 mio people that competes with companies successfully and fairly. Countries with a smaller population don’t have as much of a bureaucratic overhead. But even there… where do they offer a better service in a fair competition with companies

People from hexbear or lemmygrad are atrocious tho. ML is a bit better but still

Nah I don’t think the government should run a search engine

Fine the heck out of them then. If they don’t pay the fine ban em. Plenty of alternatives out there. More competition in the search engine market would be better anyways.

Not too big of a fan of banning companies as the hurdles should be decently high… Especially if many people rely on their service but if they won’t comply with our jurisdiction long term I see this as the only option as fees can not be order of business to pay

So the Jews are running the world after all!

This was an individual who helped make the system. Brian Thompson was directly responsible for it’s creation. Bro he’s been CEO since 2021… You really think he created the entire system?

His killing has overnight launched a nationwide discussion about how bullshit the current system is. There is immense value in that. It ain’t a problem. Are there other ways to spark a discussion that don’t involve murder? Better options that have an overall more beneficial outcome for everyone with less chaos and death? I think so.

If the public really wanted change they could’ve demanded it long ago. This is a democracy (even if FPTP is shitty). Why would you not vote for the party that wants to make healthcare more humane and instead vote the party and guy for president who’s a public oligarch and thinks of the working class as beneath him.

Ethically the things Brian Thompson did were bad sure. But if he granted every healthcare request would the investors replace him? Most likely yes.

I believe you also cross a line when you argue that self-justice is right. Are rich people just gonna get murdered now since they’re rich? Like bc the capitalistic system favours people that already have wealth? Where is the line. Can I now murder anyone I think is a bad person? I don’t think this behaivor should be supported.

You don’t even know the guy… you see him as a demonised person and now his family and friends have lost him for no real change to have taken effect. I just hope this discussion won’t just simmer down and the public will ignore the issue again.

Edit: Originally it said:

I just hope this discussion just simmer down and the public will ignore the issue again.

Which is definitely what I wanted to say

So… the system at large is at fault?

Personally I’ve been using FreeTube for accessing YouTube as they are FOSS. Only thing I wish they would have a feature to share like subs with Tubular and watch history somehow. It doesn’t have all the platforms Grayjay has but for just YouTube its pretty great

So it needs to be changed politically. If the people actually voted in their interest there would be no problem. If they vote against themselves they are at fault themselves. Thats how democracy works, even if its sad

Wish more people talked about reform than violence tbh. Thinking about leaving lemmy since associating myself with some people here makes me sick