Republicans love to kill.
But they told me they’re pro-life. What a monumental disparity, how do we proceed?
Abort them.
One of them post birth ones?
How long until these executions are televised live on Fox?
Pro-life. 🙄
The fucked up thing is that both of them CHOSE this. That’s how bad lethal injection can be
Honestly much better than lethal injection. Lethal injection is slow and tortuous but looks less violent.
I’d rather be give a fuck ton of herion and ran over with a bulldozer. If that’s not available chop my head off
I’m convinced lethal injection was intentionally designed to be agony, and torture. There are too many accounts by eyewitnesses of it not being peaceful, and painless.
Afaik the process itself is fine, but it involves things like starting an IV and dosing, and people who are skilled in those kinds of things tend not to be the kind of people who are okay with assisting in an execution. So, the ones who end up doing it are basically cops with a syringe, and -big shock- fuck it up cuz they’re either too stupid to do it correctly or too evil to want to.
You’re more of an optimist than me.
Holy shit, now that might be the first time anyone’s accused me of that.
Misery loves company I guess. /internet-hug from one dejected motherfucker to another.
Bro, I’m so deep in a depression hole right now. Thanks, I appreciate it.
have another
hug
👍
Mainly because the drugs administered as anesthesia and loss of consciousness weren’t enough and people botched them in myriad ways, from my current understanding.
You’re not seeing the forest for the trees.
It was ALWAYS intended to not be enough.
I saw it and thought it was plain to see.
My bad, then.
No worries. It was opaque and others may have needed to understand.
Copy that. Have a good one.
I’ll just take that heroin od
Yeah, I’ve overdosed before, it’s a swift, painless slide into the dark.
That’s not a good story… Ask if they have a mallet!
It sounds pretty freakin cruel to me but I’ll just post this quote and link:
source: Discover
“The physician concluded based on his observations that a severed head could retain consciousness for 25 to 30 seconds.”
I’d assume with the spine severed like that you wouldn’t feel much pain.
Plus with lethal injection it’s common for it to take hours. Just sitting their slowly drowning as your lungs fill with fluid. I’ll take the 25 to 30 seconds
It’s like we are going backwards
Ain’t nothing “like” about it
When it comes to capital punishment, the US has really never been forwards.
Y’all are most assuredly going backwards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging_in_the_United_States
Currently, only New Hampshire has a law specifying hanging as an available secondary method of execution, now only applicable to one person, who was sentenced to capital punishment by the state prior to its repeal in 2019.
The hanging of Billy Bailey is likely to be the final hanging in the United States, considering that all three of the states that maintained hanging as a secondary method of execution alongside lethal injection after the 1976 restoration of the death penalty have now abolished executions. Delaware’s Supreme Court declared the death penalty to be in violation of their state constitution in 2016,[21] Washington abolished executions in 2018,[22] and New Hampshire abolished executions in 2019.[23] However, the last person on death row in the three states is Michael K. Addison in New Hampshire, convicted in 2008 of the 2006 murder of Michael Briggs, an on-duty police officer. Should the state carry out Addison’s execution, the method could be hanging if lethal injection was found unconstitutional or inefficient, or if he chooses to be executed by hanging.
Talk about a go-down-in-the-history-books opportunity.
Since the last execution in New Hampshire was a botched hanging in 1939 that took 6 minutes for the guy to die, I kind of doubt the court would allow them to go through with that.
Lol, wait until the current admin threatens to withhold funds for not hanging X amount of criminals per month.
All killing is murder, states are just gangs big enough to have a PR team and the ability to indoctrinate the youth into following their rules.
Good on South Carolina for making that more plain.
The state having a Monopoly on violence is sort of the point of a social contract. That being said I’m not a proponent of the death penalty. Life is sacred.
All killing is murder
homicide*
Murder is just homicide that’s illegal; and legality should never be conflated with morality. In any context, not just killing.
Being sanctioned by the state doesn’t make it moral; and being illegal doesn’t make it immoral (and yes, homicide can be moral).
The wheel of karma continues to turn.
If only karma was real. We live in a world where evil thrives. Every now and then an evil fuck ‘gets what’s coming to them’ but the vast majority of them live long and very prosperous lives, not just unimpaired, but actively enriched by their evil. Through their life of luxury, they enjoy an obscenely long lifespan and eventually croak in some unspectacular way. Karma is a nice daydream, but that’s all it is.
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Karma is real. Just because it isn’t instant doesn’t mean it isn’t. Karma is doing what “they” do to us, because they deserve it and we don’t. Retribution. Then they gain power and repeat the cycle. Karma is the opportunity to learn: if it’s wrong when someone does it to us, it’s wrong when we do it to them. “They” are “you.”
Dharma is stepping off the wheel and seeking justice - balance, equitably, harmony. Because when one person levels up, it inspires someone else to put forth effort; and when another chooses to devolve, that inspires others to devolve.
Re-education/rehabilitation, forgiveness, doing the work together is the path of dharma, mastering self first, and helping others to master themselves. Not doing it for them. Not having no clear and enforced boundaries. Truth is on a spectrum, too. That is, there is a tipping point where truth becomes lie. And retribution is that tipping point
Put another way: wisdom without compassion of brutality. Compassion without wisdom is folly.
Eta: This is the ignorance that leads to suffering that Buddha referenced. The necklace of skulls worn by Kali are the heads of ignorance she’s severed. Om Krim Kalima!
…I’m not really following, but I’m also exhausted and shouldn’t be anywhere near the internet right now.
I think we each might be understanding the word “karma” to mean something different. My understanding boils down to: do good to others, good things will happen to you; do bad to others, bad things will happen to you.
My observation is that the version I just described is fantasy. It’s not that it’s not instant, it’s that it’s completely absent. For every oppressor that meets a nasty end (feeding a confirmation bias to the existence of karma) there are dozens live their life of bliss only to die peacefully in their sleep of old age.
And I don’t believe in any afterlife, so I’m not going to count on some kind of ‘hell’ deliver the thusfar missing justice: they reached the finish line and that’s it. If karma - again as I understand it - was real, those fuckers would be much more motivated not to be evil, but here we are, completely surrounded by evil.
You think this is karma? Even if he was guilty of heinous shit, he deserves to rot in obscurity.
Edit: to add an “if”
I posted a reply to the other person’s comment then accidentally hit delete rather than edit and had to repost it.
Seems like a guillotine would be far more humane. No 80 seconds of breathing - man that must be like an eternity of pain.
Well, multiple scientists and doctors during the French Revolution reported that multiple victims maintained consciousness, briefly, after being beheaded, up to 30 seconds. One such incident happened in 1905, to a French criminal named Henri Languille. The French used the guillotine as the State method for executions up until 1981. The last beheading was in 1977.
https://mikedashhistory.com/2011/01/25/some-experiments-with-severed-heads/
In short, it’s not painless, and does not cause instant unconsciousness. If that was the goal, they’d render the “criminal” unconscious before execution.
But then, that’s not the point, is it?
is that sleep capsule used in assisted suicide for the terminally ill in some European countries too expensive? or is it a problem because that would be too peaceful?
when I was in my 20s I overdosed on ambien because I wanted out, but was saved because I sleep walked and passed out outside and some people who knew me helped. It was painless and all I remeber was taking the pills and nothing after.
You may know the story, but Jim Jeffries (Jeff Nugent,) the Australian comedian, has (had?) a friend with Muscular Dystrophy, who died multiple times, briefly.
When asked if there was anything beyond death, the friend said “No.”
What is the point?
To make the person being executed suffer.
Do this need to be explained to you?
Rank Of Preferences of what I would most prefer to do after reading this, starting with most preferred!
- be shot by a firing squad
- die by lethal injection
- visit south carolina
Is exsanguination painful? I understand the process by which a blood vessel itself is breached could cause localized pain of varying degrees, but assuming local anesthetic was applied at the extraction point, is the actual process of bleeding out physically painful?
The firing squad aims for the heart so there are definitely a couple seconds of pain but the body doesn’t last long with the heart shredded.
Exsanguination itself? No - it starves your brain of oxygen so you fall unconscious pretty quickly with enough flow.
Getting enough flow to lose consciousness quicky? That’s painful.
Assuming local anesthetic was used to minimize the pain, a cut to the femoral artery might do it quickly. Google search says it only takes 3-5 minutes, sometimes less depending on the severity of the cut. Might be able to hasten things if you cut the femoral in each leg, too
I fould prefer this over drowning in lung fluid, or being slowly electrocuted also.
Heck, execution is preferable to how the average person lives their lives.
I remember seeing some war footage or something of a guy being executed from a meter away by a truck mounted .50 caliper gun. His head just disappeared. After my initial, holy shit! why did I just watch that, I thought, I can’t think of a better way to go. Minus the buildup.
personally I don’t believe in an afterlife. I do believe that once your organs cease to function your brains gets a cocktail boost that sets you into a fast dreamlike state. think of it like a naturally induced coma that you might never wake up from.
in this state is when you have your “afterlife”. I believe it’s an evolved trait that allows the brain to survive as long as possible after a traumatic death.
In my perspective, shooting a person in the head is just about the worst thing you can do because it robs them of those final moments where they could possibly live out an entire lifetime.
I would much rather die naturally, but will gladly take a slow painful death that will guarantee me my final moments instead of a “blip you’re dead forever” moment.
I agree with this. It may even be a mechanism to send you off to the next realm or something.
You’re entitled to your own personal beliefs, but you should know that your belief is inconsistent with the current scientific understanding of biology and consciousness.
What do you suppose is the case then?
The human brain is a biological machine comprised of a very large number of simple components that follow the laws of physics. Some combinations of those components interacting in a certain way results in what we consider to be consciousness, but it’s still just a chemical reaction based on purely physical processes. When a brain’s components stop interacting in that way, its consciousness ceases to exist.
No one currently understands consciousness.
I’ve had several surgeries in my life that required a general anesthetic. There is no excuse or justification, other than sadism, for suffering here. Shouldn’t have the death penalty in the first place.
Except for the fact they let him choose his method of executions. I mean, being against the death penalty in general is one thing, but the sentence was passed out and the convict chose that method.
Choose between three painful methods.
There is no ethical, or painless, way to kill someone who doesn’t want to die.
Giving them an overdose of opioids and then electrocuting them would be less painful.
Of those firing squad probably least to be honest. The lethal injection and electric chair are just too slow and unreliable.
They shoot in the heart instead of in the head so ymmv
The sudden loss of blood pressure would make it pretty quick I think
Would that also cut off the pain from the spine?
Three bullets shot by a three man squad. State can’t even afford more men and a conscience round.
Executioners have no conscience.
Barbaric idiots.
Death penalties don’t help to fight crime, as has been proven over and over again.
Really nothing inhumane about firing squad.
/s right? … Please say /s
In terms of execution methods. Not debating the morality of execution in itself.
