• HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    31·
    16 days ago

    I literally have no idea how many down votes I’ve gotten. I do kinda miss seeing bad people get down voted, but I find this experience much more pleasant.

  • niktemadur@lemmy.world
    3811·
    16 days ago

    Not just fascists, also those who empower fascists by sitting on their lazy ignorant smug asses on Election Day, bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe, who want some sort of collapse to happen… because they fancy themselves at the top of their imagined new “purity” food chain, I mean… look at their purity! Aren’t they so special and so above it all?

    They read things! On the internet! Wow!
    They reject anything that doesn’t fit their narrative. They LOVE having their hollow ego massaged in circlejerks and by bad-faith actors.

    God forbid anything less than perfect and pure crosses their medieval path, lest they feel offended and… oh yeah, they do nothing. Which is why we’re in this goddamned mess in the first place. They allowed racist, misogynistic fascism to take firm root, good luck weeding it out now.

    • Ferrous@lemmy.mlEnglish
      2012·
      16 days ago

      Fascists are not empowered by political apathy. If that were the case, you’d be able to provide evidence that states or nations with low voter turnout always turn fascist. 80% of voters turned out in 1932 when the Nazis became the most powerful party. Political apathy can be a result of burgeoning fascism - among other things. How do you think fascism arose in Germany? People being lazy?

      Chalking up fascism to poltical apathy is what happens when you fail to look at fascism as a function of class dynamics and class conflict - and furthermore, fail to see the generations-old pattern of regulatory agencies being captured, special interests dominating political commentary, rampant lobbying, decaying education, wages being suppressed, healthcare being denied, transportation services rendered useless, etc…

      If, at the end of this devolution into fascism, your only takeaway is “Damn lazy tankies and russian spies destroyed America!”, then you haven’t learned your lesson, and you’ve fallen in perfect lockstep with your liberal forerunners who made the exact same mistakes.

      It’s telling that you folks never engage when leftists point out that when the democrats had a choice between slowing fascism and committing genocide on Palestinians, they chose to do genocide all for sweet AIPAC dollars.

      The simple fact is that Biden’s and Kamala’s constituents wanted an end to genocide. Biden and Kamala ignored these constituents. Biden and Kamala lost. That couldn’t be a more democratic outcome; it’s more American than Apple pie. If you say “fuck you” to your constituents, it’s a safe bet you’ll lose them, and if this is a calculus that some dumb ass like me can make, you know that higher levels of democratic leadership were aware of the risks and chose to take them anyway. The democrats are controlled opposition.

      If you are a liberal reading this thread and are starting to see holes pop up in the logic and reasoning of your colleagues, or have correctly identified that the liberals are ill-equipped to deal with this devolution, I’d encourage you to learn what Marxism really is - beyond the spark notes you got from your conservative history teacher in high school.

      https://socialistra.org/edu/

      • answersplease77@lemmy.world
        4·
        15 days ago

        This was really shown when Cory Booker was shouting for 25 hrs about "This is not moral… We fight corruption… We dont have money for healthcare and education… We dont have money for our veterans " the next morning he passes $9Billion aid to Israel because AIPAC gave him $900,000

        https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/04/05/donh-a05.html

        https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S

        Morality and corruption my ass. Cory Booker is a hypocrite spinless clown who does not stand for shit. You give him money and he will dance a circus just like he is paid to.

      • ZeroOne@lemmy.world
        41·
        15 days ago

        Liberals are controlled opposition, it’s simple political science 101.

        But what makes you think the Left will be any more successful ?

      • witnessbolt@lemm.eeEnglish
        108·
        16 days ago

        "I didn’t vote for the lady who wouldn’t commit to stopping Israel (but I knew wouldn’t shred the economy)

        even though the alternative was a man very openly supportive of Israel and is now actively deporting pro-Palestine protesters and providing Israel all the weapons it needs

        'Cuz obviously both parties are the same"

        Quite frankly, I have no respect for anyone who took this position. Whether influenced by propaganda or… whatever… I honestly don’t know how you can say you didn’t see what a threat Trump would be (not you personally), especially in retrospect.

        I’m again going to push back and say that a massive propaganda campaign, similar to 2016, is what won them the election. Crypto dumped $146 million into he election. Elon personally put something like $250 million in, AND did the “raffles” to get people to vote (not raffles, it was a lie, admitted in court)… AND he openly used Twitter to influence the election. Zuck is in with the same guys that Musk is – Thiel, etc (I say “in” loosely for Musk) and if you don’t think they also used FB you’re a fool.

        But propaganda isn’t an excuse, because it requires some lack of not intentionally trying to expose yourself to new & different sources of news, but more importantly, different perspectives. And a complete detachment or ignorance from Trump’s first presidency.

        MAGA was always a traitor party.

      • Omega@discuss.online
        21·
        15 days ago

        You’re correct, but in the end those same tankies are also the ones that want a fascist state because they’re basically a capitalist state on the brink of collapse – a good ground for revolution that tankies wish for.

        This would not have happened if democrats had true back bone and a moral structure beyond being the slightly less insane alternative to republicans, until now, where republicans have shifted to radicalism, either knowing that democrats don’t have much fight or allying internally with democrats, allowing for this take over to start from the roots and corrupt it way down the chain

        This was inevitable with the system USA is built on top of, you only deny the inevitable by 4-8 years if democrats had won, preserving the status quo and begrudgingly agreeing to public protests to not suffer what essentially happened now. Which they failed, because they were begrudgingly doing so.

      • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
        710·
        15 days ago

        bOtH siDeS tHo!

        So you didn’t vote for the “gEnOciDeR”, how’s that working out for you?

        Take a look around at the paradise that your inaction has caused.

        • SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world
          64·
          15 days ago

          It’s still shocking to me that people were stupid enough to believe that Jim Crow Joe would be a remedy for fascism in the first place.

          It’s doubly shocking to me that you’ve already forgot about Roe v Wade, most deportations in history (even more than now), building and expansion of prisons/cop cities, expanded drone strikes/kidnappings, start of multiple genocides, etc. and then feel entitled enough to be this fucking glib.

          You have not been paying attention. If you believe in electoralism then stop punching down and redirect your rage at those who actually have power to change things within that system.

          • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
            55·
            15 days ago

            What’s shocking are all the fucking dipshits that think staying home and doing nothing at all is the best course of action to stop an anthropomorphic buttplug from overthrowing democracy.

            And what’s more shocking, is that their smug entitlement is so strong that they refuse to acknowledge their fault in the shitshow that is going on around them.

            For fuck’s sake! Even some of the conservatives have come forward to admit they fucked up! But no, rank and file of those ignorant little shithead protest voting assholes are still folding their arms and yet, have the audacity to blame people that fucking voted?

            Shocking indeed.

            • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
              63·
              15 days ago

              And what’s more shocking, is that their smug entitlement is so strong that they refuse to acknowledge their fault in the shitshow that is going on around them.

              Kamala won my state, you’re just mad that people don’t have the religious faith in voting and American ‘democracy’ that you do.

              maybe try something other than blaming people to your left when the pathetic centrists lose to Republicans after insisting on doing a genocide. You might even be able to mentally move on from it and have some new ideas to share with everyone besides crying about ‘tankies’ (whoever you disagree with)

              • gregs_gumption@lemm.eeEnglish
                34·
                15 days ago

                If you’re an eligible voter and didn’t vote for Harris you looked at Trump style facism and decided you were okay with it. Don’t blame other people for your choices.

                • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
                  43·
                  15 days ago

                  I voted for a communist because I was tired of both Harris style fascism AND Trump style fascism.

                  you lot have a religious conviction in voting and we don’t even have a popular vote!

    • NSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      137·
      16 days ago

      They allowed racist, misogynistic fascism to take firm root, good luck weeding it out now.

      was that in the progressive era, when eugenics and fascism were the rage? the usa is fascist, and has been for all of living memory. blue-colored or red-colored isn’t less fascism.

      • CMonster@discuss.onlineEnglish
        12·
        15 days ago

        One side is less facism than the other. Do you think the shitlibs would be juicing up ice like the trump admin?

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
      64·
      15 days ago

      “Not just fascists, but also those who oppose fascism and are trying to build an alternative to fascism” got it.

  • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
    3513·
    16 days ago

    Remember that the admins of the Tankie Triad regularly post and brigade threads pushing their invalid ideology on other instances.

    And they have a dozen or so alts ready to downvote dissent.

    Tankies literally have to manipulate social media so people pay attention to them and control narratives or else they get laughed out of every room they enter.

    • Binette@lemmy.ml
      84·
      16 days ago

      Hexbear is the one that mostly ““brigades””.

      The only reason this happens is because they can’t downvote. So they comment instead.

        • Binette@lemmy.ml
          92·
          16 days ago

          Correct me if I’m wrong, but I rarely see any mass comments from people in ml. In political topics, it’s mostly barely a handfull of the same users. Plus, political topics often get pushed to the front pages, so it’s not unlikely that the users see it themselves, whether or not Davel posted the thread in question.

          • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
            53·
            16 days ago

            He’s the one I see pushing shit mostly, him and Cowbee.

            I haven’t seen them posting their garbage recently tho. They’ve cut down in the last couple weeks.

            I’m sure they’re just using alts now.

            • electric_nan@lemmy.ml
              6·
              16 days ago

              How can you have a problem with Cowbee? They are the most well-read and patient poster that I see on Lemmy. I can understand disagreeing, but saying Cowbee is “pushing shit” isn’t accurate.

              • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
                3·
                15 days ago

                Hey, found this comment from searching my name (I’ll fully admit that I do so from time to time, out of morbid curiosity). I’ll clarify 2 things:

                1. I only have 2 accounts. @Cowbee@lemmy.ml and @Cowbee@hexbear.net. I swap between them, but take care to never mix upvotes (I keep my Hexbear upvotes pretty purely on comms on Hexbear and Grad, and use Lemmy.ml for everything else). I am an admin on neither, I only moderate Hexbear.net’s c/theory, and only to pin and unpin the weekly Capital and Super-Imperialism reading threads. I have never removed a post or comment, nor have I banned anyone, ever.

                2. I do push Marxism-Leninism. I’m a Marxist-Leninist, I don’t attempt to hide that. My goal is to create more comrades and to develop a more “correct line” among comrades on Lemmy. That’s the big purpose of my Lemmy.ml account in general, my Hexbear.net account is more for relaxing, talking about video games, or following the news. Helps me compartmentalize. I wouldn’t call it pushing shit, but I do push Marxism-Leninism, and do so openly.

                I can also address @SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world’s claims. The “alt” they can’t see me on is my Hexbear.net alt. I cannot mass downvote them with it even if I wanted to both because we cannot downvote on Hexbear, and because I can’t even see Lemmy.world accounts from Hexbear. I also don’t upvote myself, that takes too much effort and I only care about upvote/downvote ratios so far as it helps me gauge the effectiveness of my argumentation, so that would get in the way of that.

                I cannot verify that others are not using alts to up or downvote comments, but at the same time I don’t think anyone can verify that the reverse is true, either, except perhaps admins looking at up and downvote history. SoftestSapphic has already accused several other accounts that in no-way speak like me of being alts of mine, without any proof.

                What this means is that SoftestSapphic has nothing more than a gut feeling asserted as an unchallengable truth, the idea that the “tankies” are using deceptive measures to manipulate public opinion. Moreover, said user regularly gets banned for general hostility even on non-Lemmy.ml communities, just check their modlog. No proof is ever offered for their claims, but they will certainly parade their theories around in an attempt to discredit me, which is why I am even responding to this character assassination in the first place.

                Sometimes SoftestSapphic is 100% correct, and I’ll frequently upvote them when they are. Calling out the ineffectiveness of Leftists trying to work with the Democrat Party in the US, rather than build up our own working class parties and orgs, is undeniably correct in my opinion. Fascists should be opposed violently as well. I also like this comment, for example, going over the ineffectiveness and disillusionment with voting in the US Electoral System, especially because the system itself is the target, not the whims of individuals subject to it. This is good Materialist analysis! The issues start to arise, in my view, when they lose sight of Materialist grounding and resort to gut feeling and what I would consider conspiracy theories.

                This form of “Left-dogmatism” has been a long-running problem within the Marxist current (no idea what SoftestSapphic personally ascribes to, just speaking from what I am familiar with), and has manifested in movements like the Peruvian Shining Path under Gonzalo, which focused more on assassinations than building a legitimate and inclusive party, accomplishing little more than terrorism. When you abandon consistent materialist analysis, you run into errors in judgement that do more harm than good. Mao summarizes this problem quite concisely in On Practice:

                We are also opposed to “Left” phrase-mongering. The thinking of “Leftists” outstrips a given stage of development of the objective process; some regard their fantasies as truth, while others strain to realize in the present an ideal which can only be realized in the future. They alienate themselves from the current practice of the majority of the people and from the realities of the day, and show themselves adventurist in their actions.

                SoftestSapphic, if you’re reading this, I do think you have a promising future as a good Leftist. You have a very strong will, and your heart appears to be in the right place. I recommend you make it an effort to focus on theory and materialist analysis right now, perhaps join an org if you aren’t in one. On the off-chance you decide to take my advice, I can recommend theory for you if you let me know what you’ve already read, or answer questions you may have about Marxism-Leninism. Or, you can just check out the introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list I made, it even has audiobook equivalents if that’s your preference.

                Hope that answers everything!

        • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          15 days ago

          He’s a .ml admin. The .ml mods are useless flaccid knobs. They don’t do shit. Check the modlogs. Almost all of .ml actions are done by the two butthurt clowns that run .ml.

          They really have no need at all for moderators.

    • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      31·
      16 days ago

      Tankie Triad

      Are tankies the pro- or anti-fascist crowd? I thought they were far left whereas fascists far right. It’s hard to keep track of all these vying affiliations.

        • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
          61·
          16 days ago

          Semantics is literal meaning, though. Words mean things.

          I’m sure there are many words for left-wing authoritarians: fascist isn’t it. Instead of making fascism meaningless, can we pick a correct word? Maybe authoritarian?

          With all the fascism denounced around here, they’re a rarity, and it’s perplexing to know what say to the far more common left-wing authoritarians who argue against democratic values because they’re not left enough.

    • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
      1618·
      16 days ago

      Have you considered that there’s just plenty of people who disagree with you?

      Also, you lot suck at coming up with names, tankie troika is way more ominous

  • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.todayEnglish
    8·
    16 days ago

    A ton of times it’s the hivemind. Posted a picture of a truck with a Nazi emblem(half panzer division skull and an SS logo) on my local sub. And at first it went up then someone said it was 75th ranger emblem. Hivemind bought it up without even so much as a quick Google search. And heavily ratio’d me. People are just stupid.

  • Shardikprime@lemmy.world
    1511·
    16 days ago

    This place is a giant circle jerk. I mean, who’s going to actually mass downvote a mainstream approved opinion in a heavily moderated and biased forum LMAO 🤣

    Only thing that comes to mind is actually dissenting non approved opinions getting mass downvoted if not thoroughly silenced and banned

    Or ideological adjacent splitters casually/competitively infighting.