• toastal@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      25 days ago

      & all the US-based corporate social media… Facebook, Instagram, Threads, WhatsApp, Snapchat, Reddit, Discord, LinkedIn, & GitHub.

      The VC-funded ones too like BlueSky

      • I’ve managed to ditch every single one of those except LinkedIn. We simply CANNOT get new clients without it. The lockin to that platform is truly terrifying. LinkedIn is a crime against humanity.

        • toastal@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          edit-2
          24 days ago

          Microsoft bought these social media platforms like LinkedIn & GitHub for this very reason. They want you stuck in their ecosystems …then train their proprietary AIs on your communications, then sell it back to you when you were the one that made it.

        • schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          25 days ago

          Question: how is LinkedIn useful to you?

          For me it’s just a non-stop swarm of recruiters from India who want me to kindly listen to their offer of a job that pays less than I’d make picking up garbage, utter sociopaths dredging up some psychotic hustle culture nonsense, and previous people I’ve worked with/for asking for favors, which of course means free.

          Is it somehow more useful for an actual business?

        • toastal@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          24 days ago

          Nail on the head… it isn’t about one particular service or protocol but the philosophy of federation

      • Scrollone@feddit.it
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        25 days ago

        I think Bluesky can be an exception. I think it’s way better than Mastodon from a UX standpoint. And it’s still open.

        • toastal@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          edit-2
          24 days ago

          No.

          It costs literally hundreds of thousands of USD per month to run your own node. If it isn’t accessible to the masses, it isn’t revolutionary. De facto centralization due to prohibitively expensive costs is effectively centralization—same reason we should not trust a platform like Matrix.

          Bluesky is just another startup grifting with open washing. It has all the same VC-funded trappings where the history of Twitter will literally just repeat itself—like we didn’t see what happened with it the first time around.

          Mastodon can improve its UX but some of these platforms are rotten to the core. Or also use something on ActivityPub that does have a UX you like since they can all intercommunicate—or XMPP PubSub Social Feed since it has stricter governance to prevent it from getting too messy.

  • RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    25 days ago

    I don’t like how people are trying to stir up dissent and drama around this. The message posted is short and on point, it includes all the important bits. There really isn’t much more to add.

    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      25 days ago

      Oh but look at this deleted draft PR release that was committed that doesn’t really say anything spicy and was later sharpened up to reflect the intentions of the author.

  • Jhex@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    25 days ago

    I didn’t really need another reason to love Debian more but here we are… I’m donating to Debian today

    • SVcrossDO@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      25 days ago

      Oh I like that rhythm.

      "I’m lock up, no way Corps and hearsay Brought me to jail FOSS not too late

      All I say is I’m donating to debian today"

  • ZeroOne@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    25 days ago

    Good, now if only OpenSource devs switched from Discord to let’s say Matrix/XMPP

    We’d be partying

    • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      25 days ago

      God I hope I live to see the day. Discord at first appears like a good IRC wrapper, but the XP of actually using it is fucking gross.

    • MashedTech@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      25 days ago

      go back to forums. Support in discord is awful. Discord is not as searchable as a forum public on the internet

      • Dojan@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        25 days ago

        Yeah, forums please. I hate the idea of troubleshooting information being locked behind some stupid software we can’t easily index and search. Forums can be put on archive.org, you can literally print a page, or save it as a PDF for reviewing later. You can make use of bookmark software like Linkwarden to archive things.

        Discord? Not so much. You can use third party software to scrape it and save information, but no search engine can index it. Community building is great, but I loathe having to trawl through tonnes of blithering blathering conversation BS just to figure out where to find firmware for a particular chip I have is.

        Makes me want to projectile vomit all over the place, throw my computer out the window, and move to convent.

        • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          edit-2
          25 days ago

          Thank you! This has always been my main gripe about “collaboration platforms” in general (Discord, Slack, Teams, WebEx, etc). It’s just chat with extra steps, and does not make important information any easier to find.

          • Dojan@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            25 days ago

            Oh my gods, the mess that is Teams. When I first started working at my current company I was kind of excited because all of the software just works together. It felt novel, and I was enchanted by it. That quickly died when I realised that it makes finding anything a nightmare. There’s a billion different tabs and solutions for every single individual thing, and even multiple things within the same project. I think the main project I work on has like fifteen different test documents, and good luck trying to find the documentation for pushing stuff live! The only real way to find things is to ask someone who knows. There’s half a billion different search bars and finding the right one is just way too time consuming.

            • chaosCruiser@futurology.today
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              edit-2
              23 days ago

              That’s what happens when people don’t know how to use the system properly. They just throw their files and announcements into random places without any thought, and expect everyone to be able to find them.

              In cases like that, you just need to ask a more experienced user for direction, because nothing else works. It’s not your fault you can’t find your way around a labyrinth like this. It’s the fault of everyone who turned that place into a labyrinth.

              Can we also blame the software? Maybe, if the marketing was misreading. Mostly though, this sort of mess emerges as a result of ignorant people abusing the system.

            • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              edit-2
              25 days ago

              The “searchification” of fucking everything is driving me absolutely insane! No, I don’t want a search bar to be the only way to find things, and hiding the actual file functions does nobody any favors. Having a big prominent search bar in your product only tells me that you’re actively scraping my data to sell to advertisers.

      • SDK@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        25 days ago

        I want to move my music discord to a forum platform. Can anyone recommend a good FOSS forum with good iOS/mobile app support? Some of the musicians are going to resist if there isn’t a decent, usable, mobile app. It’s been a long time since I set up a forum. Last one I installed on a server was phpBB!

    • The Bard in Green@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      edit-2
      25 days ago

      Having worked on a couple of Matrix deployments over the last year, that shit needs to be simpler and easier, yo? Once the Matrix server exists, it’s easy enough to get people to use it.

      Contrast it’s ease of deployment with Mumble for example.

    • ubergeek@lemmy.today
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      25 days ago

      If we’re swapping out discord, please just go with Zulip… It’s FLOSS, and has a solid company backing it that actually cares about FLOSS (They even bought the product back, after it was sold to a company that was enshittifying it)/

        • LandedGentry@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          25 days ago

          Does anyone actually use it? I put my head in every few months and it’s just a bunch of graveyard servers. Very few that have any activity so far as I can tell.

          • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            24 days ago

            Maybe for the Discord use-case of joining mass-community servers it simply doesn’t have the network-effect yet. I haven’t used it much myself sadly! But I imagine a lot of users had the same idea you did: “Let’s make a server! Aw nobody’s here.”

            But I think adoption would grow if we started using it for what a LOT of people use Discord for currently: The micro-server for get-togethers of smaller social circles.

            • Voice chat for videogames
            • Small digital meet-ups, like artists, churches, clubs, etc.
            • Distance-playing tabletop RPGs.
            • College study groups.

            That’s where adoption starts and snowballs. Unfortunately, I believe the VC-funded data-mining corpo-apps will always have the advantage in scooping up the “I want to join a crowded mass community room” users.

            But that’s okay for a start.

            The way I see it, we need to be most concerned with keeping our security and privacy amongst our closest associates, and occasionally we’ll need to venture out into the “commercial-net” with our hoodies up and sunglasses on to interact with the crowd, fully aware there’s surveillance everywhere.

            • LandedGentry@lemmy.zip
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              24 days ago

              The problem is always trying to get people to move from one platform to another. They are invested in discord, many people quite literally with nitro. So in the interim I wanted to join other communities and poke around and get the lay of the land. Basically come at it from two angles

        • ubergeek@lemmy.today
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          25 days ago

          This is probably much closer to discord than Zulip is, tbh. I never knew about it previously :)

        • raver@lemmy.rimkus.it
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          edit-2
          24 days ago

          First it is reinventing the wheel, xmpp exists for a very long time, second there are only a few server implementations, third the resource consumption of them is so high that you can’t really run it reliably on a raspberry pi for your family

      • IdleSheep@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        edit-2
        25 days ago

        This is to me one of the major reasons Twitter discourse is completely ruined and the platform is mostly useless for seeing what people think now.

        When the only people who get to be at the top of discussions are people who pay for twitter, the only opinions that get shared are those that are pro Twitter, pro Elon, etc. Because they have a direct stake in the game.

        And that’s if the accounts posting aren’t all bots that pay for a checkmark to boost engagement, which is almost all I see when I occasionally have to check Twitter these days.

        So glad more people are leaving it. There’s nothing to gain from it anymore.

      • Corgana@startrek.website
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        25 days ago

        Honestly I had the same thought. But on the other hand, internet outrage talking points have also become extremely formulaic…

    • dantheclamman@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      25 days ago

      It is depressing, but I try not to forget we are seeing a sort of survivorship bias of stupidity on the former Twitter at this point. The cohort of remaining posting accounts is dumber and dumber on average. And this dynamic is magnified in the replies, because they are paid blue accounts at the top. Eg, self-selected losers. (The top account has likely just hidden their checkmark)

    • Zink@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      25 days ago

      That first reply highlights a major difference in how people approach the world.

      Speaking very generally, conservatism and right wing politics seen to attract those who see everything as a competition and that dominating other people is what it means to be a good person. Funny that it also leads to frustrated, angry, isolated people.

      So if we want to switch to using a website that doesn’t promote hurting/killing 2% of the population, we are now BOWING DOWN to the minority some of us would not rather murder.

      It’s the same reason they hate DEI so much.

    • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      25 days ago

      Ah, that captures such a stark answer to why people use xitter though.

      It’s not “so I can hear from you” it’s “So YoU cAn HeAr FrOm Us!!!11oneone”

      Walled gardens? More like prison yard. Lol

  • slazer2au@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    25 days ago

    The reasoning behind this move is said to be X/Twitter not being in line with Debian’s shared values

  • Glitterkoe@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    25 days ago

    Good for them. It’s an organisation’s free choice to pick the platforms they post and interact on, if any. Their presence is a service in itself while there are plenty of other ways to follow or reach them if needed.

  • SavvyWolf@pawb.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    25 days ago

    Personally, I think that the discussion around this will evolve as the news spreads, but I agree with Robert on this one. Sure, X/Twitter has become a less welcoming place than before, but shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn’t a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

    Nah, I think I’m cool if Debian doesn’t respect the input of Nazi sympathisers.

    • patatahooligan@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      25 days ago

      Yeah, that section is bad.

      For one, it’s has classic vibe “if you want to keep the nazis out, you’re the one who’s exclusionary”.

      But also, how is refusing to engage on a platform “shutting out a significant portion of [the] community”? That sounds backwards to me. Blocking people from engaging with Debian on its own platforms would be shutting them out. The implication in the article is that Debian is obligated to be unconditionally present on every social platform its users might be on.

      • Telorand@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        25 days ago

        The other twist is, unlike Xitter, you don’t have to create an account on Mastodon to be able to read their feed. You can access it like any other website. So nobody is getting shut out. They’re just posting elsewhere, where anyone can read it.

        • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          25 days ago

          You don’t even have to go to the website. Every Mastodon feed can be accessed via RSS. You just have to add “.rss” to the end of the URL.

          • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            edit-2
            25 days ago

            That’s a super neat trick actually. Why the heck has RSS been losing popularity when it seems to be the only magic protocol you really need to keep up with what you actually care about?

            Oh I just answered my own question: It must be harder to hijack RSS with intrusive ads and clickbait…

    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      25 days ago

      Yeah what the fuck is with that.

      It’s a very twitter centric view of the web. If you’re not on xitter you’re “shutting out a significant portion”.

      The thing is, it’s not simply that Musk has an ideology that is disparate from my own, he has an agenda that is egregiously contrary to the stated values of the Debian project.

      You’d consult with the community over a new logo or blog layout maybe, but on whether to assist Musk in his far right agenda there’s not really any decision to be made honestly.

  • JoshCodes@programming.dev
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    25 days ago

    I keep making the incorrect assumption that everyone has already left X. Just seems common sense we’ve hit all hands abandon ship

    • Auli@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      25 days ago

      There are lots of brands and people still on X and try to justify it with hand waving.

    • PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      24 days ago

      I still use it. For that which I engage, or who I engage with, it hasn’t changed for me. Almost 100% for metal bands. Tours, album releases. We have a pretty cool metal community going. People I’ve been speaking with for many years now.

      Leaving a platform you don’t like, or the reasons you don’t like it, isn’t “common sense”.

      • ubergeek@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        25 days ago

        ok, that’s just hilarious :P

        The equivalent of IE being the last one to move to the fediverse lol

    • nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      25 days ago

      Never underestimate the network effect and how reluctant people are to move to another social network. The masses just follow the crowd, so every big account moving out from there helps take more users away.

  • That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    25 days ago

    As it turns out, having an account on a social media platform full of Nazis, violent racists, and child diddlers is not good for business.