When will be your “this is the last fucking time I’m voting for the ‘lesser of two evils’, then I don’t care after that, let this country burn to the ground”? For me, this is basically it. This is last election I’m going for that " lesser of two evils" bullshit. After that I’m done. It’s just pointless. Let’s hear it.
It’s ok, you can stop voting, actually everyone should stop voting, that way there will be no “lesser of two evils”, it will just be the WORST evil taking over.
And you won’t even be allowed to have the free speech rights to get on the internet and bitch about it, because that’s how dictatorships in fascist countries work.
Maybe if Americans knew how good other countries have it, they might stand up and fight for a better nation and DEMAND changes in the laws that govern our elected officials, instead of constantly voting for idiots whose only agenda after getting elected is to destroy America and make it a fucked up theocracy.
You get the country you participate in.
[steps off soap box, turns off spotlight and leaves the building]Never. That is a position for the naive.
It was 2004.
Voting the lesser evil is a downward spiral of evil. If no candidates can meet the minimum standard, abstain on that race and fill out the rest of the ballot. It sucks, but it sucks a lot less than enabling whichever monster can be slightly less monstrous for the ten months before the election.
I plan to vote, so I will be voting for the lesser of two evils. From now until I die. That’s what voting is.
When the greater of two evils who might win if I don’t isn’t a raging narcissistic fascist.
I will always vote (but i’m in europe)
Regardless of my enthusiasm, I’ll continue voting forever to pick up the slack for stupid people who think that anything on the ballot is anywhere close to as harmful as what the modern Republican party has become.
I am glad you can keep the faith and keep voting but I also understand the OP’s (and a lot of other american’s) ennui.
When it seems the Dems biggest selling point is “Well, at least we are not the GOP” but have little or no actual policies to enrich the lives of the people who vote for them it must be very disheartening for millions of your average citizens when their options are terrible or more of the same with no real improvement.
That’s the thing though, Democrats have superb policies to enrich the lives of people who vote for them, but they fucking suck at selling it.
Joe Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act, for example, is forecasted to create millions of renewable energy jobs over the next 10 years.. Not to mention, investments in renewable energy help modernize American infrastructure in a variety of ways, and do something or another about U.S. greenhouse gas emissions. And it does more than that! Honestly, the IRA is a huge deal.
And what do people hear? Fox News anchors talking about Bidenomics and high inflation, how his fiscal policy is only destroying America and putting us further into debt. And the Heritage Foundation and AEI.org have economists that present their free market analysis that necessarily demonizes all government “interference” in markets, making it impossible for people to see any value in anything Biden is doing.
And the more liberal media just like…not…doing anything at all. They just play into boring as culture wars, giving fodder to right-wing fools, and convincing normal Americans that the left is removed from reality. The sheer lack of policy discussion on liberal media channels does a disservice to everyone really. It even leaves Biden supporters unable to say what good he’s done.
Possibly controversial opinion, the left needs a Fox News. A station that just unapologetically pushes liberal talking points and pays newsworthiness the same lip service that Fox does. Fuck this holier than thou bullshit we’ve got going on; fight propaganda with better propaganda.
Exactly. No matter what, there’s always a worse option. Always vote against the worse option.
That then lets the least worse option have no actual policies, make zero substantive change while in office because they know you will always vote for them.
But that is more about FPTP voting and the two party system.
Biden has accomplished more legislation and gained more jobs than any POTUS since FDR. Not too bad.
Your man is a genocider; try again peckerwood
the only other candidate that’s reasonable possible to be in his place is far worse
so there’s that
Not my fuckin problem. Y’all want my support, put up someone who doesn’t support genocidal states, apartheid policy, or fossil fuels; til then, death to your country
I couldn’t do it again after 99% Hitler broke his promise to be 1% less Hitler.
The blessing of having MMP is … you don’t have to vote for a lesser evil! You can actually vote for a good option!
I did! And they didn’t get in because Money! It’s fucking awesome!
Sometimes they get in though, at least it’s not structurally completely sewn up like in the US.
I really feel sorry for people in the USA.
The worst thing that happened to your country since WW2 was fighting and winning the cold war. The outright rejection of anything even slightly left of centre as communism!!! has destroyed your democracy.
Add in non compulsory voting and I have no idea how you change it.
This is exactly what fucked us. You breathe next to some idiots and you’re a “communist”. What’s sad is that they don’t even know how to fucking define “communism” or whatever they call you. You ask for fair wages for workers? You’re a communist/socialist. You ask for free/affordable healthcare college? Fuck you you fucking communist. And so on. They just throw it around.
Being real, it wasn’t the cold war that fucked us. Jim Crow fucked us. Hundreds of years of slavery and racism ruined us. Everything post cold war you’re thinking of goes back to the divide that wants to keep black people down. The side that wants that also wants to keep the gays and women in their place too, but they want the blacks back in their fucking cotton fields first.
When the racists had a setback during the civil rights era, they hid. Everyone else thought they would die off and that was that. But then the southern strategy was enacted, and the fuckers started undoing things slow enough that it didn’t look as bad as it was. Between the racists hiding, and the oligarchs buying anyone they could off, we got to where we are now. In danger of civil war, and with no will on one side to fight it.
What an enlightening comment. It made me think. Thanks.
You’re probably gonna continue reading doomer posts on the internet, getting grey hairs and high blood pressure
But the one chance you can do something to change things
You just won’t?
I’m just sick of it all.
That’s fair. I’m just trying to say, consider how you direct that resentment. It might be far healthier in the long run to limit how much you consume news media, rather than swearing off voting
Welcome to adulthood.
You’re going to be worse than sick of it all when through action or inaction, you allow a proven authoritarian to take power. Then, you will no longer HAVE a choice and you think the government sucks now? You’ve got a rude awakening on the horizon.
Maybe we NEED shit to get majorly worse so people can actually take action and make the change they need themselves? I feel like people are getting complacent with the Democrats’ bullshit argument of “hey, look at us, we are a teeny meeny bit better than the other guys. See? Aaaahhhh. Now stfu and vote for us and be thankful”. I feel like this is their way of not doing much, and doing very little to look better than the other fuckers.
You’re not making sense. You’re “sick of it all” so you want to make things catastrophically worse. It’s at best an ill-considered position, at worst one might think you are spreading a terrible idea on purpose.
I understand your position on what I’m saying. It’s fucked up, I know. Nothing in our politics makes shit of a sense either.
How does it change anything
Republicans took away Americans’ right to an abortion by voting for Trump. Is that nothing to you?
You could also say democrats didn’t do enough to protect abortion rights.
Protect abortion rights from what?
It demonstrably does not change anything outside local elections.
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Your vote matters just as much as everyone else’s. So you’re saying nobody’s vote matters? Clearly that’s not the case. Unless there’s something special about your vote compared to everyone else’s. I understand what you’re getting at, but the conclusion that you shouldn’t vote is flawed.
Your vote doesn’t decide the election on its own. Does that mean it doesn’t matter? Absolutely not.
Your vote matters just as much as everyone else’s.
That is mathematically not true, the electoral college exists. Also, the candidate with less votes than their opponent has won 1/3 of US elections in the 21st century. So even if the voters go out and vote, there is a 1/3 chance the person that gets the most votes will lose the election in modern US politics.
Fuckers learned nothing from 2016 and want us to skip merrily down their spiral of ignorance and evil right along with them, ignoring the evidence of our eyes the entire way
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Le epic redditer moment
Your vote matters just as much as everyone else’s.
Unless you live in non-swing state in which case your vote literally means nothing as you’re a minority voter for at least the next 30 years. Even then, the vote of someone in a state with a small population gives more of a share of electoral college votes than a populous state. Plus the whole 2 senators a state thing etc etc.
Your whole position is flawed. You’re reversing the responsibility of ensuring people get to vote. Politicians are well paid professionals whose entire job is to ensure that their political plans come to fruition. Blaming some doomer online for the failures of the party is completely missing the point.
Le epic redditer moment
Look dude we’re both insufferable, let’s stay on topic
If you believe your vote doesn’t matter, then you believe nobody’s vote matters. Clearly that’s not true. I get that voting for the less popular candidate won’t win the election for you. Boo hoo. Don’t conflate “losing the election” with “not mattering” though.
If you believe your vote doesn’t matter, you either believe:
- all votes are not equal (within a given election) or
- the elections are entirely rigged
the elections are entirely rigged
DING DING DING! One hand washes the other, the Overton Window ratchets to the right with no pushback from the democrats, and this was ALL rigged from the start to ensure the settlers never had to give up the power they stole, raped, murdered, and genocided for. The problem is, you can never accept this answer; because it would mean confronting the difficult idea that everything you were ever taught as a child in the west was a fucking lie, meant to keep you thoughtlessly benefiting off their system.
And since you are benefiting, and have been benefiting for so long, you’ll do any thing, and throw any one under the bus to keep those benefits pouring. I don’t even know why I’m wasting the electrons when I know you’re just going to posture like the insufferable liberal smuggard you’ve come off as thus far, I’m going to ache for the death of your country and the falsehoods your leaders claim as morals, and we’ll both have gotten nowhere but closer to the heat death of the universe-- or maybe just the climate apocalypse that your leaders seem hellbent on ignoring as we sail right past 2C this year. 25 years ahead of schedule.
If you believe your vote doesn’t matter, you either believe: all votes are not equal (within a given election).
Yeah, like I explained in my original comment in great detail exactly how and why certain votes are not equal.
I struck a nerve with the redditor comment considering you responded to that 4 word sentence but not the paragraph explaining basic American Electoral structure.
You fool! Youve taken the bait. I am 3 moves ahead and your fate is sealed
What makes those votes unequal?
You fool! Youve taken the bait. I am 3 moves ahead and your fate is sealed
Grown adult saying this btw. God, I was less cringe in high school.
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As someone whose local election ousted a literal fascist, never forget local elections, folks.
I’m with you penguin. I’ll vote for neoliberalism to fend off fascism, but having to vote for genocide in another country to fend off fascism in America is a bitter pill. Biden has year to make amends though, he may turn it around. But he lost a lot of voters over Gaza.
It’s Netanyahu doing the bombing – not Biden
And whose money paid for the bombs? Paid for the air ‘defense’? Paid for the extensive air force? Bet my left eye that’s Amerikan greenbacks.
The choice is pretty clear cut. Either vote Democrat or help out a convicted rapist/fraudster who also happens to be a Nazi.
As long as it takes until the youth voting rate matches that of the elderly and we get good options that actually change anything…
But that would rely on us getting out and voting instead of bitching online so I don’t have much hope.
Probably the last time I voted. American democracy is a fucking scam
Don’t say that, you’re going to be chased out very soon by the “fall in line” mob. They’re fucking worse than Republicans. If you don’t fall in line, they’ll eat you alive.
Nope. Encouraging voting is categorically not worse than the Republicans.
