This was back in soil and growing underneath the stairs. I still use these lights in my veg tent, but after this grow I actually designed and built my own light to go along with these two. Worked well, was just a hassle to deal with.
This was back in soil and growing underneath the stairs. I still use these lights in my veg tent, but after this grow I actually designed and built my own light to go along with these two. Worked well, was just a hassle to deal with.
It takes me 10 minutes to mix my nutrients and dump it in my aeroponics chamber.
Would be the 10 minutes to mix, 15 minutes to water, and than I still need to cleanup and deal with the runoff. Constantly buying soil and having to removing soil to the outside garden or compost makes room to make a mess.
And no, soil can never compete with hydro or aeroponics, yeah you can make up for it with a longer veg times or other methods. But aeroponics is designed to get as many nutrients into the plant as fast as possible, you always have it right on the edge of thirst. When properly setup you shouldn’t have runoff from aeroponics even, the last drop of water should be absorbed before dropping off the roots. Granted mines no where near there, but it’s the principle.
No-till ≠ soil + nutes. They are so radically different that comparing the two is apples vs oranges.
With no-till, you don’t want runoff at all, nor do you ever want to remove soil and add new soil. The soil gets better over time, especially when undisturbed. You aren’t adding salts to it like you do with bottled nutes, so there’s nothing to kill the soil over time. The fungal network that grows over time is especially helpful here.
No-till (if the soil is healthy) can absolutely match hydro for yields in the same amount of time. Healthy soil has fantastic bio-available nutrients at any given time that the plant can then choose to “eat” whenever it feels like it needs the food, unlike bottles nutes, which is closer to force feeding the plant using an IV (if still using human metaphors).
Adding bluemats to the mix, the plant basically just grows itself. Generally a good idea to topdress at the beginning of flower to prepare it and also after harvest, but you basically don’t need to feed it at all for the whole grow cycle. You basically just need to make sure that the bucket of water used for irrigation doesn’t go empty.
I’d highly recommend Build-A-Soil’s YouTube channel and website for some great info, and so you can see it in practice. (not sponsored). Full disclosure: they also sell stuff on their website. They do carry great quality products, but the same info applies regardless of where you get your shit, and even the owner suggests buying locally instead of through the website if you can.
I know the differences between the methods.
Do you have any resource that compares soil to hydro with similar results? Hydro and aeroponics can grow plants 5x as fast. You veg for a month, I veg for a week. It’s not just about the possible end result.
With hydro you typically get one more harvest a year, even if the yield of each is the same as soil. Hydro and aeroponics are on a whole different level than soil. I don’t know who’s sold you that farm, but it’s not even remotely true.
You veg for a week? That’s absolutely insane. How many nodes do you have before throwing into 12/12? What about plant height?
I’ve never seen anyone’s veg time just be one week.
October 23
October 31
I was being a little facetious since I’ve never seen anyone honestly think soil can compete to hydro, let alone aeroponics.
Till vs no-till and how no-till does better over time (both in-ground outdoors): https://lter.kbs.msu.edu/2020/05/no-till-agriculture-increases-crop-yields-environmental-gains-over-long-haul/
Difficult to find non-anecdotal evidence on a small scale, but here is some anecdotal evidence:
https://old.reddit.com/r/microgrowery/comments/x06aip/been_seeing_a_lot_of_posts_how_soil_cant_yield_as/
https://old.reddit.com/r/microgrowery/comments/8az94a/what_happens_to_yields_with_organic_no_till_vs/
Not to mention a (subjectively) better end product that (anecdotally) tastes better than the same genetics in hydro. There’s a reason why no-till product sells for more.
I don’t have experience with aeroponics, so I can’t comment on that, but I understand that it still uses bottled nutes, so a lot of the info should still apply.
You can’t compare no-till to any other soil-based growing method. They’re not at all the same.
Top comment of your third link. None of those are scientific either.
10% less and 30% slower, and far from accurate.
The extra harvest from hydro is huge, even if then yields are the same.
3x5 is 15 but 4x5 is 20.
I just got 30% more crop from cutting down veg times.
I don’t think you read that entire comment.
He specifically states at the beginning, those numbers are for supersoil, then he goes on to state that supersoil is not the same as no-till, and in the same comment, he states similar yields for no-till and hydro.
“About” and “almost” is extremely specific… means it does the same? That’s a new one to me.
They also explain how it’s not just a little more work to setup properly, to get no-till to a point where it can compete within 25% of hydro takes years and constant no fuckups. That’s a hard task for even the most seasoned growers.
None of those were scientific and are opinion based. Let’s see a side by side of them having the same harvest and veg time, can you do that? NASA has it for soil hydro and aeroponics. You can start there I guess.
Edit oh fuck I just realized those aren’t even upvoted, nice sources, probably your own reddit comments? Omfg and the dude in the second post is getting grilled for his comments. What did you think these were proving?
Here’s one from another grow.
I view a lot of grow journals and posts on social media regarding cannabis, even industrial posts and stuff like that. Can you provide anything even anecdotal that shows similar results? I’ll drop the scientific angle, we both know you can’t provide that since it doesn’t exist since it’s not even comparable.
I’m not perfect, so if it’s possible, it shouldn’t be hard for you to find a post that meets the criteria.
I’ve never seen a 6 day growth like that in anything other than water based growth media, coco excluded since it’s for all intents and purposes treated as hydro.
I can’t find any no-till grow journals with pictures for whatever reason and I’ve personally been out of the game for a few years, so I don’t have pics myself. Otherwise, I’d have replied with pics earlier.
I’d love to see someone do a side-by-side of hydro vs. mature no-till, but I also didn’t find any of those.
I know Build-A-Soil on YouTube has grow journals, but they’re in video form if you don’t mind that. https://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/2016-grow-journal-from-seed-to-harvest-1
You’re not gonna find them since they don’t exist since it’s not possible. People love claiming it, but doing an actual side by side with clones from the same genetic strain will always show water based winning.
The only way no till wins would be to do no till perfectly and fuck up the hydro grow. Yes no till can be better than other soil methods, but does mean that it’s also as good as water based.
I’ve watched plenty of videos from build a soil, I’ve never seen any evidence of vegging being even close to similar to hydro.
I’m trying to be polite and engaging here, but I’m blocking you, you clearly have zero proof and are perpetuating bullshit.