The problem I’ve found with the “Buy nothing days” is that it’s not really encouraging buying less. With the possible exception of a few in the moment things, it’s really just pushing purchasing to the day before or the day after. Someone seeing economic data for that specific day might notice something, but even just factor in the day before and the day after and it’s not going to make much of a difference. It didn’t cost the corpos anything, so they won’t even notice.
I keep saying exactly this. It needs to be longer than a week and it can’t be things like groceries or you’re basically asking people to starve. And so many people who are supposedly fighting for the less well off don’t seem to get “living paycheck to paycheck” and the idea that working 5 days a week and taking care of yourself/kids means that when you shop is largely dictated by factors out of your control. Its got “oh, just make your coffee at home to save up for a new house” or “blame the average person for climate change and not the massively polluting corporations” vibes.
No, making it longer would help if your only goal is to crash the economy thinking that a tantrum will solve the core problem and not just lead to a bunch of bandaid appeasements.
For the record I’m agreeing with you. We need more directed action and more specific demands. These demands need to be things that have a clear roadmap to being implemented as well, not just “I want X”. Cool. Nifty. How do you expect X to be implemented in today’s world? What will the steps look like?
If you could rely on supporters to actually abstain from buying things for the duration of the protest, and you had enough supporters then ok extending the duration of the protest might “help” crash the economy.
What I was kind of getting at is that you really can’t rely on supporters to abstain and you don’t have enough supporters.
The longer the protest (or… the more inconvenient the protest), the less dedication you’re going to have from supporters.
I whole heartedly agree with the screen cap in the post suggesting that protesters seem to think they can just observe some rite and all of society’s ailments will be resolved. Real actual change is going to involve real actual pain, and unfortunately the plebs always carry that burden.
My feeling is that presently people are dissatisfied but not really desperate enough to undertake the civil disobedience required to invoke meaningful change. For example, could you organise enough people to boycott starbucks until they allowed employees to unionise? It would take time, organisation, and dedication. This is just one teeny tiny example of a potential first step, a rallying cry, a way to demonstrate a proof of concept. However, I just don’t think it’s achievable.
Even groceries you could change what you buy though. Air fried beans costs fuck all. I was going to suggest egg fried rice as that is cheap in the UK but you might struggle with the eggs in the US. Could just fry rice and add some veg though.
A lot of it also boils down to people’s inability to not buy highly processed food. Staple foods (potatoes, rice, flour) are relatively cheap, but turning them into complete meals take time and skill. So, takeout and fast food turns from a once-a-while into almost everyday.
The problem I’ve found with the “Buy nothing days” is that it’s not really encouraging buying less. With the possible exception of a few in the moment things, it’s really just pushing purchasing to the day before or the day after. Someone seeing economic data for that specific day might notice something, but even just factor in the day before and the day after and it’s not going to make much of a difference. It didn’t cost the corpos anything, so they won’t even notice.
I keep saying exactly this. It needs to be longer than a week and it can’t be things like groceries or you’re basically asking people to starve. And so many people who are supposedly fighting for the less well off don’t seem to get “living paycheck to paycheck” and the idea that working 5 days a week and taking care of yourself/kids means that when you shop is largely dictated by factors out of your control. Its got “oh, just make your coffee at home to save up for a new house” or “blame the average person for climate change and not the massively polluting corporations” vibes.
Making it longer doesn’t help.
You need to boycott specific products (with ready altenratives) and have specific demands.
No, making it longer would help if your only goal is to crash the economy thinking that a tantrum will solve the core problem and not just lead to a bunch of bandaid appeasements.
For the record I’m agreeing with you. We need more directed action and more specific demands. These demands need to be things that have a clear roadmap to being implemented as well, not just “I want X”. Cool. Nifty. How do you expect X to be implemented in today’s world? What will the steps look like?
If you could rely on supporters to actually abstain from buying things for the duration of the protest, and you had enough supporters then ok extending the duration of the protest might “help” crash the economy.
What I was kind of getting at is that you really can’t rely on supporters to abstain and you don’t have enough supporters.
The longer the protest (or… the more inconvenient the protest), the less dedication you’re going to have from supporters.
I whole heartedly agree with the screen cap in the post suggesting that protesters seem to think they can just observe some rite and all of society’s ailments will be resolved. Real actual change is going to involve real actual pain, and unfortunately the plebs always carry that burden.
My feeling is that presently people are dissatisfied but not really desperate enough to undertake the civil disobedience required to invoke meaningful change. For example, could you organise enough people to boycott starbucks until they allowed employees to unionise? It would take time, organisation, and dedication. This is just one teeny tiny example of a potential first step, a rallying cry, a way to demonstrate a proof of concept. However, I just don’t think it’s achievable.
Yeah but then if they had to actually do real work for their protest, we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place would we
I am more than happy with wanting America to face a recession. I will avoid American products as much as possble.
Even groceries you could change what you buy though. Air fried beans costs fuck all. I was going to suggest egg fried rice as that is cheap in the UK but you might struggle with the eggs in the US. Could just fry rice and add some veg though.
A lot of it also boils down to people’s inability to not buy highly processed food. Staple foods (potatoes, rice, flour) are relatively cheap, but turning them into complete meals take time and skill. So, takeout and fast food turns from a once-a-while into almost everyday.
People actually eat fast food daily? No wonder Americans are so fat
Huh, Thursday and Saturday are a bit more popular now and Friday dropped off. Should adjust shift patterns a bit.