Judkins said that after the finger test, a lead cybertruck engineer at Tesla said he did the video wrong.
The engineer told him the frunk increases in pressure every single time it closes and detects resistance, Judkins said. It’s going to assume you want to close the frunk and maybe something like a bag is getting in the way, which would make it close harder.
Are you kidding me? You did the test wrong on a safety critical feature? No you dumbass engineer, you designed it wrong. Why in the holy fuck would you make a safety critical algorithm keep applying more pressure on subsequent attempts??? That’s literally the opposite of what you do for safety.
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Yeah, I’m an embedded software developer myself and yeah, when we architect our code we have safety critical sections identified with software safety reviews and we always go with the assumption that we’re going to run into that one guy who’s the living embodiment of Murphy’s law and go from there with that design to minimize the potential for injury and death.
Can’t imagine who the hell is in charge of the software safety reviews there that let that pass.
You think a company run by Elon has an extensive software safety review system?
They did, but Elon asked one of them for a latte and they brought him one with 2% instead of oatmilk so he gutted the whole department.
/s, because it might be to be specified.
Are you certain you’re wrong, though?
Not anymore they were all fired.
Same in the medical devices industry. We have whole teams of non-developers whose job is to find out when and why a surgeon can be a moron. The code is more difficult to write, but it’s way better and more robust.
“Smart” may as well be synonymous with “unpredictable”. I don’t need my computer to be smart. I need it to be predictable, consistent, and undemanding.
And also every additional kind of complexity (which stacks BTW) makes you more dependent on the vendor (good for them, bad for you) and on doing things exactly as their imagined user (because it’s disproportionately your problem as laws don’t seem to work in making it theirs).
Distributism is actually a very good political ideology. Sad it’s associated with Catholic religion, because it correctly generalized the principles making democracies and markets and cultures work.
“Oh my, the cake box/finger/dog was in the way, but thanks for automation, the door didn’t close!”
The engineer told him the frunk increases in pressure every single time it closes and detects resistance, Judkins said. It’s going to assume you want to close the frunk and maybe something like a bag is getting in the way, which would make it close harder.
What the fuck kind of idiots are leading things over there? “Something’s in the way. Better crush it!” What a bunch of morons putting everyone in danger.
“If it encounters resistance, the brushless motor increases in pressure until it closes fully.” Guess the company:
- DeWalt
- Milwaukee
- Makita
- Tesla
Musk seems to be increasingly infecting the whole company with his idiocy.
The sane people were fired or left. I’m sure most of who’s left are either stuck or like to lick elons taint.
We built it wrong as a joke
Cybertruck owners can have a finger guillotine. as a treat
Needs a lockout/tagout before putting your hands in the powered shears to get out your bags.
How many miles? Would you say, ten million?
My finger points.
- Not that cybertruck owner
Why the hell would it close harder if there is something in the way? That’s not the correct behavior for a lid, that’s the correct behavior for powered shears.
Tesla Cyber Truk* *includes free shears with every purchase
Maybe because they want the degradation of some mechanism to be less noticeable over time. And because they’re dumb.
Never tried to force the closing of your trunk lid because there is a bag that is slightly over the limit and you need a little more pressure, even if the bag is a little pressed down ?
The assumption here is that if it is your finger which is in the way, you take it out the way and you are not that stupid to try to close it again if for some reason you are not able move it away, which to me seems to make a lot of sense.
I wonder if the guy that designed autopilot had the same idea. “So when the car detects resistance up ahead in the form of a crowd or wall, it will accelerate to make sure it goes through!”
We deliberately made it fail critical. It’s your fault for expecting fail safe!
I know I’m old school and all that, but why do people want to pay for automatically closing doors of any kind? Automatic opening of cargo spaces I get, if you have your bags full of hands or whatever, but once you put the stuff in there… Seem like such an incredibly unnecessary and costly feature, that also have a high chance of failing in the future. I don’t get it.
Because taking stuff out is like putting stuff in, only in the reverse order.
Except when the stuff is in, you have free hands to close doors and hatches
I think we’re on two different wavelengths.
Put stuff in: Stand next to closed car with no free hands, could use automatically opening doors.
Take stuff out: Open car. Pick up stuff out of the car. Stand next to open car with no free hands, could use automatically closing doors.
Good question. My wife’s RAV4 has a rear door that will only close if you press a button. You can’t close it manually. Furthermore, it’s on the door while it’s open and my five foot tall wife can barely reach it. It’s ridiculous.
Wouldn’t your wife have a hard time closing it manually too then?
You know, that’s true and it didn’t even occur to me. I guess she just wouldn’t have bought it? (I would have been fine with that, I hate SUVs, even hybrids.)
On older Toyotas the rear door has a strap inside that hangs down for people to grab onto and pull the door down to close.
We’ve got a 2019 Rav and I can’t remember how, but you can adjust the height that the door opens to by some series of button pushes. We had to lower it so that it doesn’t hit the frame of the garage door when opening it inside the garage. Maybe just adjust it so that it doesn’t open all the way and it’ll be easier for her to reach the button?
I’ll let her know about that. Thanks.
Wow-effect and nobody gets punished if it goes left.
Lols. Tesla logic.
Must… break… finger… push mooooaaaa. ~Tesla
The customer is always wrong.
Safety critical? I’d rather have a trunk I can get to close than one I can stick my finger into four times in a row without pinching it. What do you think happens when you slam down a normal trunk on someone’s finger?
Hey, @Killing_Spark, found a member of the Tesla software safety team!
Lol. Nah, the trucks are super dumb. I just know I’d want a trunk that would be able to close more than an overly sensitive pressure detection permanently preventing it. For that matter, I think it’s dumb to attach a motor to a trunk.
It’s like you didn’t read or did read and didn’t actually comprehend what the article or linked video was actually taking about.
You sure would make a great fit at Tesla’s engineering and safety team.
Friendly challenge: respond to that user again, in no more words than the first time, but address his question :)
No thank you. I refuse to engage with a person trying to straw man and change topics from a software safety argument to a personal preference that goes nowhere but you feel free to engage if you wish.
Feel like this could have been demonstrated with a hot dog
Or a chicken drumstick for somewhat similar bone strength.
Is this the dipstick that tried it with a carrot, it cut the tip off and then said he was going to try it with his finger to be sure?
I don’t see “dipstick” in the wild very often, but I always appreciate it. Are you English by any chance?
I am not. I had a vulgar word there, and decided to tone it down a little.
A baby carrot
It takes about the same force to bite through a baby carrot as it does to bite through a finger
As long as the carrot is pretty close to the size of the finger you’re wishing to stimulate
I wish I didn’t know that
This isn’t true, and I know it as a fact. I’m not gonna tell you how I know, but I know.
Biting through a human finger bone takes much more force than it does to bite through a fucking carrot.
Joints exist though
Ever eaten oxtail? Even after it’s cooked, tendons and shit is really hard to bite through. Way harder than a damn carrot.
For real. If fingers were that easy to lob off nobody would make it to middle age with all of their digits.
Maybe OP has leprosy.
Tendon after 6 or so hours simmering or 1 hour in a pressure cooker and you got my favorite pho add in.
You need calcium.
Having done my time as an Army medic, this is incorrect. It takes more force than that, but less than you might think. A good 25 kilos with some velocity behind it will easily sever a phalange. Up it to 50 or 80 kilos and you can claim an arm or shin. Mass is the real killer. I’ve seen a vehicle at comically slow speed absolutely yeet someone because it had several tons of momentum behind it.
Fortunately I don’t think that’s strictly accurate. Try biting through a chicken wing its not as easy as a carrot.
Yeah and bird bones are hollow
Unless you’re talking about a loon.
They’re talking about a chicken. Source: they wrote the word “chicken”.
But loon is an alternative fact chicken therefore chickens have carrot bones
You’re full of it. This isn’t true.
I wish I didn’t read that, and then read it again repeatedly trying to process what I just read. Lol. I’m sorry.
He did demonstrate it that way, specifically with a carrot. And it somewhat worked. The problem is they programmed it to do more and more pressure every time it fails meaning that doing the carrot first actually caused a safety issue. He only moved onto his finger because the safety feature seemed to be working.
The engineer told him the frunk increases in pressure every single time it closes and detects resistance, Judkins said. It’s going to assume you want to close the frunk and maybe something like a bag is getting in the way, which would make it close harder.
Geniuses.
Because I am the bag commander. If I want the bag to fit, and it doesn’t fit, I’d better crush it!
With that association - can Apple, Tesla etc marketing be generalized into something to be put into law?
To fucking ban those companies and make their patents public domain (or make them expire, not sure of the term).
I don’t care if a Google or two get stomped as a bonus.
Penis, got it!
No, it has to be something bigger than the panel gap
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
He tested it with multiple similar objects.
Then he wouldn’t get nearly as many views. Or have articles written about him
Or a penis.
Wouldn’t get so many YouTube views right…
There’s plenty of dumb to go around, but the word frunk by itself is the dumbest thing about this story.
I figured that was a fucking typo at first
Let me guess: Front trunk? Please tell me I’m wrong.
I could, but then I’d be a liar.
It’s actually short for “fore bunk” because you can sleep in there
Yeah, I’d totally trust this deathtrap to let me back out in the morning 🙄 /s
Then it will be a frasket
A froffin
FRIP
There’s no way I’m sleeping in an area that needs lockout/tagout to enter safely.
A monkey: Front trunk? That’s what I call my penis!
Because it’s obviously a froot, right?
So much dumb I’m inspired to re-write old song lyrics, like:
What they dunna goo with all that junk All that junk in side that FRUNK
or
My trunks / fore bunks / My stupid cyber FRUNKS
So a hood. Or a bonnet.
Don’t kink shame. There is nothing wrong with ‘frunking’. Come closer, I’ll get the lube.
A Tesla engineer said the test was done wrong because the frunk increases in pressure every time.
“You are holding it wrong!” 🤣
Of course it just keeps hitting harder when things are in the way.
Literally Tesla’s response
I’m sure these “engineers” were confused everytime they saw an elevator door not mercilessly crush people.
This breakthrough technology could finally provide a way to teach people on the MTA not to hold the doors.
They learnt about consent from Elon.
Probably “graduated college” the same way as Elon too
It that point why not just have some blades slide out on the third try?
The vehicles deny reality, same as their creator…
He did the test wrong because he’s experimenting with “safety” algorithms that the manufacturer has provided little-to-no documentation on and is having to come up with answers on his own. Maybe he wouldn’t be “doing it wrong” if Tesla hadn’t over-engineered every aspect of their piece of shit truck in the first place. This thing is a solution in search of a problem, and it’ll chop your fingers off until it finds it.
If it increases in pressure every time, I’m now curious how many times you need to close the trunk to cut a finger off
That was very nearly my exact same thought. Maybe not for curious children with carrot-sized fingers, but for adults, how convenient! Business competitor’s body won’t quite fit in your fancy frunk? Just while away on your phone for about 10 minutes, let the cat do its magic, and off go the legs! Travel-sized!
I wonder if you can get the frunk to critical velocity at the touch of a fly by constantly pumping it up like a pump action gun.
Escape velocity? 😉
He forgot to turn on Finger Safe Mode™️ before closing the trunk
But this feature requires an extra monthly subscription, that wasn’t included with the package of the YouTubers
Well to be fair, that functionality is a pretty pricey add-on.
That’s why Apple gave up on designing a car. All of the potential customer base has already been captured by Tesla.
You know what they say… Don’t stick your finger in crazy
The cybertruck is the dumbest tech product and that’s after you compare it to the Vision Pro and AI pin
It could be a lot better if it were able to get through tough terrains like wet beach sand. Or if the body didn’t rust after touching moisture. Or if it was able to survive a car wash.
Also it would have been neat if they had some automotive professionals working there to tell them that the accelerator pedal needs to come back up when your foot is off it.
Instead, we got…
Except Homer also runs the company.
A Tamagotchi has a better lifespan.
Man youtubers are dumb as hell. Use a stick or something
I think hot dogs are good test subjects
He used a banana, an organic dildo, and a carrot. It snapped the carrot and then he decided to try with his arm, hand, and finger.
organic dildo
He slammed his peantus in the hood?
No, that would ruin the steel of totally high quality.
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Sticks don’t get clicks.
Dicks get more clicks.
that car looks like shit
I saw my first cybertruck in person the other day. It looks incredibly dumb in promotional photos, but it’s astonishing how much stupider it looks in traffic surrounded by normal vehicles.
yeah but look like at all the space you have in the trunk! almost two bags
Judkins said that after the finger test, a lead cybertruck engineer at Tesla said he did the video wrong.
If you read the article, it’s not a statement with entirely no merit.
The engineers prioritized an algorithm which is far more likely to be useful in real world scenarios where you keep trying to cram a bunch of stuff in the frunk and close it (who hasn’t done this?) rather than the edge case of repeatedly testing it with vegetables until you stick your finger in it.
Anyway, I suppose it’s back to the drawing board.
This is why you keep your safety features consistent. If they want bag close mode, then make it where you hold instead of press a button or something. It “happening automatically” is just unpredictable to most, not magical
In addition, what if the person noticed the obstructions and then moved them away, and then accidentally got a finger in there? That’s a realistic scenario too.
Fair point.
“… and if I were you, I would try not to make the same mistake again, mister”.
That engineer was channeling Steve Jobs.
“Data sent to HQ. Thank you for your participation”
“Cave Johnson here. Fact: the key to any successful cooperative test is trust. And as our data clearly shows, humans, cannot be trusted. The solution? Robots!”
A man of culture, I see.
What person with an automated cargo door closure mechanism has thought “stop protecting my stuff and just fucking close”?
I’ll admit it annoys me when there’s something in the way that keeps my door from latching and it reopens, but I’d rather have to clear the door and shut it manually than it force itself closed and jams the door or break my shit.
The worst part of the article is them using the term frunk unironically.
I think frunk is a good word. What would you call a trunk that is in the front of the car.
A trunk. There’s nothing about that word that indicates location.
Frussy
Yes.
Which indicates the existence of Brussy … somewhere inside the Batmobile …
A Trood or Tronnet for the British folk.
Froot, actually, my good man.
Masterful gambit, sir.
giggle giggle snort
"frunk"ing frunk!
Seriously, did fhe same designer proofread fhis?
Front trunk. It’s aggravating slang, but it’s been in use for decades, well before Tesla.
Could combine it with UK terminology and call it a foot
