• WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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            Not invaded. The existing 4chan user-base inspired, and was targeted with, fascist propaganda starting with gamergate!

            It was literally ground zero for fascist PsyOps. Steve Bannon even considered it an inspiration, and a pivotal moment, in the creation of his fascist propaganda machine.

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          When the protests against scientology happened. Long before it was sold. Long before MAGA or the politics board were even a concept. It didn’t die immediately from them, but it was the start of a measurable drop in discussion quality that never stopped.

          The “protests” devolved into some of the cringiest irl meetups of online communities I have ever come across (yes, worse than dashcon), and it caused so much media attention that it accelerated the “eternal september” problem the site always had exponentially.

          Motherfuckers forgot the golden rule about “hiding your power level”, which at the time at least meant doing your best to appear relatively normal in public and went full “I’m a horribly socially maladjusted mess with bad hygiene who can only communicate via tired memes, look at me! Look at me! I know memes! Haha longcat is long am I right?”.

          A lot of people remember the cringe of reddit’s “When does the narwhal bacon?” forced meme attempt at the world’s most embarassing “secret pass phrase” bullshit. The scientology “protests” were significant orders of magnitude more cringe.

          4chan was never a secret club, but the sheer agressiveness of non-tolerance towards obviously new posters helped to maintain a very low bar of “quality”. I’d argue that’s needed to maintain any semblance of a community on an entirely anonymous image board that has minimal moderation. Shitty threads would get saged relentlessly, eating up the maximum comments a thread could have and drowning out any discussion in the shitty thread, all without bumping it back up to the top. Hit the reply limit and the thread slides off the bottom, gone forever.

          “Lurk moar, faggot” was the phrase of the time. Stop posting until you figure out how things work around here.

          But as more and more people unfamiliar with what shitty community existed came in, there hit a point where they outnumbered the old guard, and the already low quality of discussion tanked.

          /b/ used to have discussion threads about all sorts of shit. Actual thought provoking stuff now and then. Funny stories. Occasionally legitimately good OC. It was the breeding ground for most of the memes and meme formats that spread to the internet at large. Mudkipz, rickrolling, EFG (the progenitor of trollface and rage comics), lolcats, advice animals. All /b/.

          Now it is almost entirely people sharing photos of women they know that they’ve downloaded off the ladies’ social media accounts to jerk off to. Previously they would have been chased off to the dedicated porn (or softcore) boards using fire, pitchforks, and spam of the most digusting images the internet had until the posters got the message. Or at the very least they would have been bullied into a single thread at a time instead of taking over almost every thread on the board.

          Instead it has all devolved to the absolute lowest common denominator.

          /b/ (and by extension 4chan as a whole) has always been a cesspit. I’m not trying to deny that. There’s screenshots out there of it back when the post count hadn’t breached 1000 that show that it was shit even in the very very beginning. Back when it was almost exclusively m00t, W.T. Snacks, and their friends from Something Awful. That said, it used to be engaging to scroll through because you could stumble upon some legitimately good discussion. It hasn’t been worth even trying to look for good discussion on /b/ for well over a decade.

          The retro videogames board was a brief shining return to quality for a few years after it was created, even managed to find, back up, and translate some things that had been lost media. The DooM threads used to be the place to be for new DooM wads. Even that board’s pretty shit now too.

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          I wonder about this sometimes.

          Poole knew he had a contentious base of users. I remember in 2013 or 2014, 4chan users posted photographic evidence his gf was cheating on him, and I think it broke him. I dont blame him for selling the site, but 18 months later… I wonder if Moot knew he was holding back the end of the world.

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          Around then for me. Hiroyuki allowed /pol/ to happen when moot tried it and ditched it quickly. Too many people started thinking their farts didn’t stink. I went there for anime discussions when every other popular site was a hugbox.

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    I looked at some of the leaked source code and my god the code smells are so rotten its like they had a dead horse in the back for a while and its developed a stank like an Eric Andre skit.

    It increasingly looks like nobody would maintain this bundle of wax besides under-experienced juniors who threw themselves at it, and apparently after moot sold it, it was never touched. It runs on an extremely old version of FreeBSD and PHP.

    The fact this happened now as opposed to any time in the past decade is, I have no words.

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      As much as I hate Elmo, I still value truth more. There is 0 evidence he’s behind that account. And given that the account claims to own Twitter (= claims to be Elmo), it’s far more likely to be a troll than a secret-but-not-secret account by the richest fuckface in the world

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        Yeah reddit and Lemmy are just auxiliary troll communities to the OG forums like 4chan.

        Same people. Same shitty behaviour just slightly different topics and levels of trolling.

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          People know what 4chan is. There’s no illusions about it. reddit and its derivatives are were the real trolling goes down.

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            I thought it would be a legitimate niche forum for sharing information. And reddit leaned further into trolling and bad behaviour.

            A systems purpose is what it does and this platform has not shown much outside of being a place for fights and self held superiority stroking.

            TL; DR I am mostly here for news links and B-Movie-Bananza cause it has some good recommendations. Not to interact or pretend this is more than the sum of its parts.
            Also the top communities are memes mostly so, yes? Is not jokes a minor form of trolling?

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              We have a different definition of troll I think. To me trolls are bad faith actors hiding racism and other disinclusive speech behind humor.

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                Ah. It used to be just someone that would say something so inflammatory or provoking that it would force interaction or responses from the people witnessing it.

                Like an obvious joke or quote of an earworm that it creates replies. Or sometimes something rude or just wrong on purpose. Modern bad actors adopting trolling tactics is not necessarily the same thing.

                You could say trolls are like onions, they have multiple coatings.

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                  A definition I saw many years ago was something like a troll tricks you into feeling a certain way or doing a specific thing. Could be positive, mostly done for humour, but the ones we hear most about in the media or whatever are the upsetting ones.

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                  I’ve been online since newsreaders were king. I try to use the current usage of words. I fully understand that trolling has been coopted by bad faith actors.

                  Originally it was a fun little bit of sarcasm or an inside joke that became a proto meme or some copypasta to share around.

                  Now it’s a path to the US presidency.

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    10000 line file with no comments is honestly relatable as someone who took a job and had to wade through code like that