• random@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      14 days ago

      the word libertarian comes from anarchists (eg. libertarian socialists) however right wing anarchists (anarcho capitalists) have claimed the term, so now a libertarian is a right wing anarchist

      • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        14 days ago

        I say co-opt it back to its original leftist roots. I don’t mind calling myself a libertarian instead if I’m talking to a right winger who’s scared of anarchists and then just say “the socialist kind”. It’s a conversation starter to introducing a right winger to how one can believe a market free from capitalists (the best kind of free market) is actually not the worst idea ever

      • Famko@lemmy.world
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        I still don’t believe that anarcho-capitalists exist. The ideology just loops back into fascism most of the time.

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          13 days ago

          There is no critique of capitalism so it’s incompatible with anarchism.

          They’d be actual anarchists if they didn’t conflate capitalism with markets.

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        Capitalist anarchism doesn’t exist. Capitalism is a form of unjust hierarchy (or if you want to stick to the literal meaning of “anarchism”: capitalism is a way to create rulers)

        There are capitalist anti-statists, bit being against states isn’t sufficient to make you an anarchist for above reasons.

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          14 days ago

          Capitalism is a form of unjust hierarchy

          It’s a form of hierarchy through economic accumulation. The problem of justice is in the privative accumulation. When we start the game playing from a stacked deck, only a handful of people ever have an opportunity to accumulate new capital, while the rest of us are bound to serve through debt.

          Leveling the playing field allows people to accumulate within their lifetimes, and incentivizes capital development broadly, without allowing intergenerational accumulation to stagnant the system.

          But wealth redistribution is incredibly unpopular among the people with the most political capital, necessitating some kind of social or economic revolution to achieve change.

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            Yeah. Wealth generates wealth. Wealth is power. You got born into a world owned mostly by the super rich, and therefore don’t have equal opportunities.

            No amount of redistribution will prevent this state from re-emerging until wealth accumulation is made impossible.

            It’s pure luck: even if the playing field gets completely leveled once, without systemic changed some people will luck out, get wealthy again, buy newspapers and apartment complexes and therefore monopolizes public expression of opinion and profit from living space.

    • anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      14 days ago

      Watch this short video and realize they are the better half: https://youtu.be/PcllE7fx8-I

      They are right wingers that want to be free of government meddling in the form of anti discrimination laws, taxes and drivers licenses. For some reason they also the consider age of consent to be a greater evil that the Pentagon.

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        They are right wingers that want to be free of government meddling in the form of anti discrimination laws, taxes and drivers licenses. For some reason they also the consider age of consent to be a greater evil that the Pentagon.

        Yeah, pedo-nazis.
        They want a white ethno state, where they can smoke meth and fuck kids. The whole “age of consent should be abolished to protect children who are essentially considered property of their parents until ages of majority because sometimes parents are really shitty to their kids” isn’t a solution to the stated problem. Proper funding, oversight and regulation of social programs such as child and family welfare/protection is significantly better than giving an easily manipulated child the right to consent. The only reason to make age of consent whenever a child can talk should be pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.

        And guess what, if you abolished anti-discrmination laws, you’d end up with only WASPs allowed to vote, massively suppressed wages and limited if any social benefits for women or anyone not white.