I lean pretty hard left who is also pro death-penalty (IN VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES)
If the case has absolutely been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
All appeals have been exhausted.
Proof is absolutely undeniable.
Guilty party shows no remorse.
Crime is suffiently heinous (mass murder, child killing, serial killers, etc…)
A legitimate psychiatric board has deemed that there is little to no chance at rehabilitation nor does the guilty party show any inclination to want to rehabilitate.
if ALL those things are true, (plus some that I haven’t even considered) then I would rather execute them than pay for their living expenses for the rest of their natural life, or worse see them released at the end of their sentance absolutely knowing that they’ll do it again.
The problem that runs into is that afaik even with the not as undeniable proofs the US is using atm the death penalty costs them more than paying for the living expenses of the suspect. And that is nothing to speak of no proof being undeniable enough.
I think we should create a system where people have a choice. Life in prison or death. I think k it would clear up a lot of the ethical issues of the death penalty.
The science behind DNA profiling is grossly overstated. it doesn’t sequence a full genome and is often using partial/degraded samples and relies entirely on statistical differences. In probability games, there’s no such thing as certainty…
It’s not necessarily true. I mean you could be framed with your DNA. I’m not arguing that it’s plausible, just not absolutely undeniable. For instance, I would bet dollars to donuts that somebody has tried to frame someone else using their DNA.
Yeah, of course, death penalty is never acceptable and must be abolished entirely. Even setting aside that no proof of a physical event can be 100% solid, or all the other practicality arguments; even the worst rapists, murderers, terrorists and billionaires are still humans and do not deserve death when they present no danger anymore due to being apprehended.
It already is in all modern societies except like the USA.
I took this as a thought experiment. You seems to root awfully much for these bad people, I’d say let’s help them when we have helped all their victims.
It already is in all modern societies except like the USA.
Given the original commenter was talking about “the left”, I’m critiquing AES countries (e.g. China) here. USA is a lost cause when it comes to human rights anyways.
You seems to root awfully much for these bad people
That’s just basic human empathy combined with practicality. They are still human and deserve humane treatment, and also most of them (like 80% if we look at Scandinavia) can be reintegrated into the society in some way.
I’d say let’s help them when we have helped all their victims
I lean pretty hard left who is also pro death-penalty (IN VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES)
If the case has absolutely been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
All appeals have been exhausted.
Proof is absolutely undeniable.
Guilty party shows no remorse.
Crime is suffiently heinous (mass murder, child killing, serial killers, etc…)
A legitimate psychiatric board has deemed that there is little to no chance at rehabilitation nor does the guilty party show any inclination to want to rehabilitate.
if ALL those things are true, (plus some that I haven’t even considered) then I would rather execute them than pay for their living expenses for the rest of their natural life, or worse see them released at the end of their sentance absolutely knowing that they’ll do it again.
The problem that runs into is that afaik even with the not as undeniable proofs the US is using atm the death penalty costs them more than paying for the living expenses of the suspect. And that is nothing to speak of no proof being undeniable enough.
I think we should create a system where people have a choice. Life in prison or death. I think k it would clear up a lot of the ethical issues of the death penalty.
that’s an interesting angle I’d not thought of before…
No proof is absolutely undeniable. Especially not in an age when generative AI will soon be able to fabricate evidence easily.
You are absolutely correct regarding AI. I hadn’t considered that. It gives me something to think about. Thanks!
DNA based proofs are pretty undeniable unless you have a twin.
The science behind DNA profiling is grossly overstated. it doesn’t sequence a full genome and is often using partial/degraded samples and relies entirely on statistical differences. In probability games, there’s no such thing as certainty…
In addition since 2010 anyone using “standard molecular biology techniques such as PCR, molecular cloning, and recently developed whole genome amplification (WGA), enable anyone with basic equipment and know-how to produce practically unlimited amounts of in vitro synthesized (artificial) DNA with any desired genetic profile.” and there have been a plethora of new tools/techniques which make doing that even easier…
It’s not necessarily true. I mean you could be framed with your DNA. I’m not arguing that it’s plausible, just not absolutely undeniable. For instance, I would bet dollars to donuts that somebody has tried to frame someone else using their DNA.
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A lifetime imprisonment can be more inhumane than a death sentence.
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(If there is enough solid proof ofc. You can’t roll back a death penalty)
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Most death row inmates fight for their life all the way until execution. That’s proof enough.
How is the verity of the conviction related to how humane the punishment is?
Just specifying the proofs have to be solid bugs you? How weird.
Yeah, of course, death penalty is never acceptable and must be abolished entirely. Even setting aside that no proof of a physical event can be 100% solid, or all the other practicality arguments; even the worst rapists, murderers, terrorists and billionaires are still humans and do not deserve death when they present no danger anymore due to being apprehended.
It already is in all modern societies except like the USA.
I took this as a thought experiment. You seems to root awfully much for these bad people, I’d say let’s help them when we have helped all their victims.
Given the original commenter was talking about “the left”, I’m critiquing AES countries (e.g. China) here. USA is a lost cause when it comes to human rights anyways.
That’s just basic human empathy combined with practicality. They are still human and deserve humane treatment, and also most of them (like 80% if we look at Scandinavia) can be reintegrated into the society in some way.
You won’t be able to help them if you murder them