Roughly $11.1 trillion has been wiped away from the U.S. stock market since Jan. 17, the Friday before President Donald Trump took the oath of office and began his second term, according to data from Dow Jones Market Data.
Some $6.6 trillion of that figure was lost on Thursday and Friday alone — the largest two-day wipeout of shareholder value on record, Dow Jones data showed.
I’m 41 years old, I’ll be 42 in a few weeks, I’m getting really tired of living through these “once in a lifetime events” every 24-48hrs.
Total sidebar: You should re-read The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy when you turn 42!
That’s what I did. Now I’ll never forget the last time I read the series.
I’ll have to do that thanks.
As a 45yo, I agree.
Yeppp. Also makes me really distrust mainstream economists, because somehow these crashes always come as a surprise.
Like what we’re doing is not working. We need to try something else
You assume that educated people are making the final decision, when that has not been the case in at least 60 years.
Economists can scream from the roof-tops that the wealth-gap is harmful (they have), that ignoring science is regressive (they have), and that tariffs are fucking stupid (they have). But if the people in power (i.e CEO, Lobbyists, President) simply ignore them and do stupid shit anyway, it’s all pointless.
Moral of the story, this is not on the economists. This is on the stupid being in positions of power and the ignorant masses not holding them accountable.
Mainstream economists have been predicting this for nearly a year. It’s a surprise to almost no one.
Oh i guess that’s true. I’m not sure what my point was. I guess political/party economists? But maybe they’re not informed by actual economists.
It seems like there is a disconnect between what I hear politicians talking about vis what the journals say
Trump doesn’t have a team of reputable economists guiding his policies.
He’s just making decisions based on the vibe.
What tells you that this isn’t working? Seems to be working as intended. You mis-assumed that this administration gives a flying fuck about anyone worth less than $1 billion.
I meant for melol
What does this have to do with any economist? Are they supposed to be able to predict a cheeto imposing absurd global tarriffs? “Once in a lifetime” is just an expression the media likes to use.
Sorry I topic drifted a bit. I wasn’t actually thinking of that. I was under the impression that things were going very poorly even before tariffs.
Just wait until the markets open on Monday…
I wonder if they’ll pause the markets.
It’s a rule hard baked into the NYSE that trading is paused for at least 15 minutes if it drops 7% in a single day. It is paused again for at least 15 minutes if it drops 13%, and then trading is ended for the day if it drops 20%.
Has 20% drop ever occurred?
No. The 7% breaker went off 4 separate times in March 2020, though.
Its liberation day!
The US stock market has been liberated of 11 trillion dollars and counting.
What a party, what a party.
“Drill, baby, drill”
Stock market: “To the
mooooooncooooooooore!”
Trump is golfing while a man he admits is innocent is in an El Salvador prison
Amazing how every time the Republicans get majority control of things the markets go to shit. The faster they work to dismantle what democratic control of something exists the faster it falls apart.
Lets hope this leads to Republicans loosing for 60 years like last time :3
You can’t really use past market events as a reference for anything happening now. The global system is completely different and changing very fast. The longer term implications here are that the U.S. Govt has been out of money for a while and there is a ton of upcoming debt to issue. Part of the response to this is to fund the Govt using tariffs, and begin shrinking the deficit by using the economic problems and the total debt to justify it. They are trying to avoid a debt crisis where there is more debt being issued than buyers. The problem is that this time, with other options existing for capital than Treasuries, which given the circumstances, the old idea that people run to Govt debt when the markets crash for safety just might not hold up this time. The end result is that they haven’t solved anything, and in fact made the upcoming debt crisis much worse. What’s more is that the old reserve currency dollar system being replaced will accelerate now as trade is forced to route around the U.S. There are so many second order effects here too, all of this will kick off a justification to privatize everything and have the private sector jump in to save and replace Govt functions. What they have wanted to do all along anyway, and given the current political climate will mirror the oligarchs taking over Govt functions after the collapse of the USSR. This is just more of a controlled demolition.
Sorry for the wall of text. Also, a bretton woods style agreement will be necessary, it’s just that there is no single world power strong enough to enforce one. The futures for Monday look pretty bad too, and there are so many unresolved problems since 2008 that could blow up one after another once all the liquidity is removed and there is no one willing to purchase all the upcoming debt.
The debt issue is greatly over exaggerated. The US as a whole owns over 300 trillion in assets and trillions more in untouched resources. The US isn’t broke and it isn’t poor. It only feels poor because
- our capitalist system is nearly the worst possible system for distributing resources where they actually need to go and
- Capitalists use their resources to corrupt and bend our government to their will which results in car centric urban sprawl that is 5x less resource efficient.
For example, if we built public transit and walkable cities we could make transit completely free and it would cost far less than subsidizing car dependency. But we can’t do that nation wide because it would devalue the car industry, the asphalt industry, rubber industry, and the oil industry. Under capitalism, the profits of the 0.1% always take priority over what benefits the 99%
We’re entering Once in a Lifetime Recession #5. Buckle up folks. The feds up shits creek and has been since COVID, so no cash bailouts are coming anytime soon. This should be a fun one!
Turns out a lifetime is only about 20 years.
Try 8. We’re getting closer to “a few weeks” now.
Go woke go broke? Seems like when you go conservative you get absolutely ripped.
go fasch lose cash
A bunch of wallets just got the bigot spigot
I know your right in saying people vote like Trump was the conservative, but Harris was really the conservative. Trump was the populist autocratic. thinking the GOP is the conservative party is crazy to me. They haven’t been in a long ass time. You want status quo and security for your money and livelyhood? Don’t vote for the populist who has ‘‘ideas’’ about how the country should REALLY be ran.
That’s how you get Pol Pot shutting down food imports because he wanted higher domestic food production, you know BEFORE they could make enough food to feed everyone without the imports. All the other autocrat or populist that instantly rammed a country into the ground also had a cult that made them entirely delusional.
That’s how you get Pol Pot shutting down food imports because he wanted higher domestic food production, you know BEFORE they could make enough food to feed everyone without the imports.
This really is exactly what trump is doing. He’s slinging tariffs around like that will spur US industries (and as a petty attempt at being a strongman) and farming but giving those industries zero lead time, and on top of that, the tariffs he imposed are going to affect all of the materials and machinery those industries would need to ramp up their production. And on true insulated tyrant fashion he just makes a declaration and then it’s everyone else’s problem to deal with.
Dude’s a fucking idiot.
Wow, $11 trillion is a lot. Really puts the $36 trillion sitting liquid in offshore tax havens into perspective (yet seems to be missing from every conversation about money.)
The problem is that it is legal (in a gray legal sort of way), and the people in power only lose if they fix it. So we can only talk about it.
Perhaps it’s high time to go beyond talking about it.
Such as?
The top 10% wealthiest Americans own over 90% of stocks…
I do feel bad for the people who left their 401k in the market instead of government securities. trump has been saying he’d do this dumb shit since the campaign.
Not exactly sure how one is supposed to transfer one’s 401k to government securities on such a short timescale…
Trump was elected in November. I had every cent moved out of US stocks by mid December. My tax burden is already less than what I would have lost if I kept them money where it was.
There was plenty of time if you were paying attention. If you didn’t move your money, unfortunately, that’s on you.
Edit: SPY puts with 20%. The 40% bonds. 30% forex. 10% cash. But what the fuck do I know. I didn’t make any money and you all know exactly what you’re talking about and I’m full of shit.
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It’s a 401k. I can’t move my money out of it without taking a tax penalty.
Look up the video on investing at market peaks.
Yes there is a tax penalty. as I said in the original comment.
However, that tax is less than the amount lost since December. As I said in the original comment.
I’m not familiar with 401K as I’m not from the US but do you really lose anything when the market dips? Because I don’t think you do unless you start selling at a loss. If you’re not planning on retiring in few years this shouldn’t affect you in any way.
It’s the same as any other non-liquid asset. Sure, you could argue that the value dropping is only a loss if you sell during the dip, but you’re still better off if you can sell before it happens.
I don’t really see how you’re “better off” unless you then go and buy the dip too. If your retirement is decades ahead then simply holding and buying is what will very likely be the best bet on a long term. Historically speaking so far this has been the case. Reacting to short term events is how people lose their savings on the stock market.
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No it is not. Tax rate is ~20-30%. Market has dropped 10% since November. What is this batshit advice?
especially if you are not qualified to retire for 2 more decades
Bro he literally said the tax penalty is less than his loss
L2Read.
So your 401k is just a single fund and that’s it?
That sucks bro
But bitcoin is going to…oh.
Oh well, at least gold is… Oh.
GME to the moon!
I don’t understand then, are they just bilking each other?
If the billionaires are buying en masse to profit off this, someone is selling. If billionaires own the majority…they’re…selling to each other and losing?
A potential explanation is this is the Russian fall of communism / transition to oligarchy moment, where regular people will get rid of the “worthless” stocks fearing no bottom, and the top 1% will buy them for pennies on the dollar.
I expect Musk to become the first trillionaire from all of this. Thing is, that trillion will be worth $100 Euros or any other form of currency that isn’t attached to America.
May the money pit that Musk stands on, suck him in like a bog.
Trillionaires already exist. They’re just all in Zimbabwe.
Oh no, billionaires losing unrealized gains, what a shame
Let’s flip the fuck out about it
Or regular people all losing money they had invested
I have parents who are near retirement who voted for trump. Only my dad works and has to support my mom. This upcoming weekend, I’m gonna ask him how his portfolio is looking. If his vote is paying off.
There’s more people who don’t have investments than there are that do. That includes 401k. Welcome to the poor people’s club.
50% of the country has a 401k and like 40% has an IRA… They are not worth much, that is the point the poor people can’t afford to get more poor, the rich people can. they’ve realized theres nothing else their money can buy so their happy to destroy the world out of boredom. And you cheer them on.
Source that’s not so heavily “invested” in the answer perhaps? I can’t read this ad-ridden garage.
Is it enough to stay that most Americans stocks are the smallest of their saving vehicles? Most people have the bulk of value in their home not their 401k.
Correct. Which makes sense when you consider home prices have gone up alot in the last 20 years, and an unaware investors portfolio is probably being slowly bled off by covering the mortgage of that house every time we go into a recession which is basically on a 2 year cycle now.
So yes you are right, and you are so smart and a very good boi. But you are missing the bigger picture of American wealth distribution. Missing out on how jobs are tied to the market, income is needed for investment and selling investments when you lose your job and they are down 50% just shoots most of the country into poverty.
Surprise its the great depression!
I’m not good and not a boi/boy/guy/whatever, but thanks I guess.
I was more interested in getting to the fact that everyday American don’t rely on the stock market directly. If you are hurting directly in this downturn, you needed to have less volatile investments to begin with. Americans do have some small direct market investments but they are dwarfed compared to their other stores of value and to the quantity of money in the market from non-consumer level individuals.
When you say ‘don’t rely on the stock market directly’ you’re aware of the second and third order effects from a market crash right?
The president just crashed the market harder than Covid for no reason, and you’re telling me i need less volatile investments? What investment would that be out of curiosity?
Even the union worker who doesn’t have a Schwab account has their pension invested in the market.
Not everyone is a union worker. Almost no one has a pension anymore. I don’t know a single person under 45 with either.
Dude how many of the 49% of USA citizens who can’t even handle a 1k USD emergency spend have stocks or options
How many of the 120 million people who have feared for years that they won’t get to enjoy their social security have stocks or options
Because that’s the regular people
Are you even reading yourself
Millions of people have 401k plans through their employers and have had them for years and are counting on them to live when they retire.
Someones forgetting about 401ks
401ks are invested. People losing their retirement funds. I personally don’t have any because I had to use mine up last time I was between jobs for a year, but many innocent people who aren’t rich and voted against Trump are being hurt as well.
I’m sorry to tell you but everyone is screwed except the billionairs who will just buy everything for pennies on the dollar. What do you think companies will do when their stocks are crashing? They will lay off more people until they inevitably go belly up and then all of those people are out of jobs. Shit is about to get real.
Well over 49% of usa Americans make enough to save a thousand dollars . Many are just that bad at managing money. Part of why pensions are important over 401ks.
buddy 401k contributions come out of your paycheck. you can’t equate one with the other. Most people usually check the box to take taxes and contributions out of their paycheck and don’t consider their retirement account emergency savings.
the point your missing is it often is. and it usually equates to to stock market losses. So stock market crashes are when the rich make the poor poorer.
Yet here you poors go cheering on everyones grandma to starve to death. Far left and far right horseshoe death cult assemble.
Can someone explain the tangible effects of this?
Companies are going to lay off loads of people and close any department that costs too much just to increase the stock price again. For investors stock price is everything and they don’t care much about consequences.
USA stock market crashing means the dollar is getting less worth compared to other currencies, so anything imported gets more expensive in the USA, what is most items. Things getting more expensive means less people buying stuff, less economic activity so more layoffs.
All those layoffs means people can’t pay back there debt. Trump doesn’t care about people in debt and somehow makes it worse. Banks get in trouble. Trump cares about banks and big businesses so they get bailed out. Taxes on everybody else increases to pay for bailouts.
To distract from all this, Trump starts challenging China and it leads to war. Marshall law is called and Trump starts funneling more money to the military making things even worse.
You’re all going to be poorer.
This doesn’t explain anything. To do that you would have to say why.
You say that as if it won’t likely affect you as well. Even if you’re not American, the next decade will be worse financialy than the last. There are probably some exceptions, but not many.
I’d be fine with that if it was for some grand project, like reversing climate change or wiping out global poverty, but it’s not.
so weird to be cheering for our own demise, but is it really our own demise? i don’t own stocks. do you? and where does 11 trillion actually go? to another country’s market? fiat currency is so weird. it’s almost as if it’s all just smoke and mirrors that don’t actually reflect reality. did anything physically change since dumptwat announced tariffs? capitalism just seems like a giant lie divorced from reality. let’s burn it all down.
Do you have a 401k?
lol no
