And somehow every single time the problem was so easy to solve, but apparently crying about it is the better solution.
This is just a variant of the “Ask question, use an alt acc to answer it incorrectly” method of getting help.
Harness the OCD of the internet (https://xkcd.com/386/)
The best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question; it’s to post the wrong answer.
Perfect demonstration :)
Well played. Glad to assist.
Linus Sebastian . Is this you?
Actually, the best way is to post a question to Reddit.
Truth is, windows has plenty of such small annoyances just as well, it’s just that everyone is used to the windows way of doing it, so it’s not even worth joking about it.
People just don’t want to have fewer annoyances that are solved differently and most often more easily. Change bad.
“It’s a shame anything has to change. The Sun has changed its position in the sky and I don’t trust it one bit.”
- Welcome to Nightvale
When I first started using Linux I was impressed with how easily everything seemed to work. Then over time I started to get annoyed with all the things that I had no idea how to fix without looking up, and thought about going back to Windows.
Then I used windows again and was immediately reminded of all the stupid bullshit I had to constantly fight with and forgot about because that was just the norm when windows is the only OS you ever use.deleted by creator
So many times I see junior Devs (or not so juniors) and normies seeing an error message and, visibly, static plays between their ears on their mental TV set, then they just click the first button that looks appropriate and complain it didn’t work.
The text of the message does not get read or parsed.
“You need to close the program to continue”. Doesn’t work.
“Unexpected X at line N” Doesn’t work.
Drives me insane.
Unfortunately, so many error messages are so utterly useless that it has taught many people that all errors are just pointless background noise even if they’re actually giving useful info.
I mean, java and Microsoft errors are preceded by 120 characters of useless trash oftentimes, that is equally as infuriating.
Yeah, proprietary software are the worst offenders.
I just watched that Linus tech tips video where the guy uninstalls critical system components by accident while trying to install steam.
First the GUI for the package manager refuses to do it, then apt gives him a warning that he’s going to break his system. It even makes him type “Yes, do what I say!” but he’s too much of a clown to read the warning messages all over his screen. He even smirks at the camera about how silly it is that he would need to type such a thing before he proceeds to mess everything up.
People were trying to defend him, saying that the system shouldn’t have allowed him to do it or that the warnings should have been flashing and shooting rainbows out of the monitor or that a robot arm should have come out and started honking his clown nose to let him know he was doing something stupid.
In fairness, when you’re used to windows those kinds of warnings basically mean nothing to you.
It’s like when you hit snooze on an alarm so many times that you just sleep through your alarm and it becomes background noise.
Also, it’s defiantly a glaring issue if installing steam means uninstalling your whole DE.
Still, as a tech YTer who was exploring something out of his elements he should have looked into every error, warning, and message.
Also, it’s defiantly a glaring issue if installing steam means uninstalling your whole DE.
Can you explain to me how the fuck that even happened?
And 2. Could it have been prevented by him actually following the installation guide and rehashing the bloody image?
Linus and Linux is a rare view behind the curtain
There have been some accusations about him being a sociopath by Louis Rossmann and others, so it might just be that CIA money flowing into his pocket thats preventing him from rational thought
I haven’t watched much of Linus’s stuff, but his behavior in the three Linux challenge videos reminded me of the way Conan O’Brien would act with his staff. It struck me as an off-putting blend of arrogance, entitlement, and impatient senility.
Yes, exactly
Like, take his 10 year old Video of sticking in aß many Keyboards as possible
He somehow knew all the standards, could troubleshoot it all and still just seemed very competent
With the Linux video, I think he’s like trying to behave like a new user? (Like please tell me who the fuck would be a new user and not go to the forum once there’s a problem, but instead use this terminal and ignore all warnings?)
But even then, like, he knows his channel is not directed towards very tech incompetent people he is trying to emulate. But instead of just doing it like he himself would use Linux, he still put up this costume of ignorance and pretended like this is hard to do. But if you even had the slightest experience with the terminal, even cmd, you will instantly see for how dumb he is taking you by „Trying to emulate his viewership”. And even if you don’t want to make a positive video about Linux, just talk about how office dosent work on it, or how kernel level anti cheat is bad
But instead he is still making videos about trying some very special shit no one would ever do (like install arch as a beginner, install SteamOS even tho there’s Chimera and Bazzite, etc) failing at this very special thing, and then talking about it like this is the Linux experience.
Like, for real, I will bet my nudes that this decade he will try to install Gentoo, say that its the Linux experience, fail badly, and say that Linux is bad.
Linus bothers me quite a bit and I’m fairly critical of him, but I don’t know if I would go as far as saying he is a sociopath. We would probably even be friends, but I would call him on his bull shit. This is my own observations but he strikes me as having pretty strong ADHD combined with getting lucky and big a bit faster than he could adjust to.
His company has a much lower turnover rate than the industry standard and it doesn’t seem like anyone that has been on screen couldn’t do well elsewhere. That implies to me that the working environment is at least pretty good. He also seems to want to do right by his employees and knows that he is the face of the company and ultimately their paycheck. That combined with an ego that is a little too big, and maybe some issues with reading the room associated with being on the spectrum (again supposition), makes some of his reactions to public push back understandable even if it’s not OK.
Also it depends on what you consider an IT guy. He doesn’t have experience coding or doing any low level stuff, he just really enjoys building computers and tech in general which can explain a lot of his poor or dumb decisions. What he appears to actually be very good at with tech is his knowledge of supply chains, interactions between companies, and knowing what consumers are likely to actually want.
Didn’t one of his staff admit to self harming as a way to get out of work?
That would be news to me.
People seem to take an all or nothing approach to how they view topics or judge people, especially when they are very far removed from it. I think my take is a bit more nuanced and has some value for that reason, since I am able to be critical of some of the things they do while enjoying others.
Found the context. https://twitter.com/suuuoppp/status/1691693769903796331
To be fair that was a broken package in pop_os. It wasn’t entirely his fault. If his view was to operate as a normal user , having the os uninstalling your desktop environment when you try to install steam is a valid concern.
Windows is better… oh, really? Linux is like a breath of fresh air for me, and in two years of using it, I have never noticed or encountered any critical problems or bugs, but when there is a problem, it is usually not so difficult to solve it because there are resources and people who can help.
My only regret is that I didn’t try Linux a few years ago.
Same experience here… It feels like what using personal computers was always supposed to feel like before capitalism infected it.
I don’t like windows, but I’ve been using various distros on and off for 15 years and it was absolutely never painless. Nvidia drivers still barely work for me (although admittedly they are shit on windows too). Making my computer wake from sleep is the stuff of nightmares. Integrated laptop webcam? No way in hell.
The only thing I give Linux a top score in is compatibility with my audio interface.
Windows is better - they wouldn’t use it for atm’s if it wasn’t superior
i’ve seen atms running os/2 warp. they take what they are given.
People routinely use worse options because of familiarity
Jokes aside, I asked my previous boss once why everyone kept paying for Microsoft products instead of using FOSS. The answer was paid support and you can sell it.
Well they had to use Windows as OS/2 wasn’t available/viable anymore.
Bless your heart ❤️
gr8 b8 m8
Myguy, let me introduce you to the /s modifier
I’ve been in the comments section once or twice. The solution was “RTFM.”
The good old ways. I miss them.
Nowadays, it’s more “User Manual? You mean the Manufacturer’s Opinion?”
RTFM in this case means: Read the fucking man-page
Sometimes I get confused with man pages and have to go on other sites with different explanations and examples. Maybe that’s just me
No, that’s the state of documentation on Linux.
In OpenBSD, bad or lacking documentation is treated as a release-critical bug in the package.
The man pages would be so much less dry if they just put a few examples at the top. But nope. So I continue to
curl cht.sh/taruntil the heat death of the universeEdit: autocorrect
TFM isn’t worth the R. It doesn’t describe failure states or bugs in a way that a normal user understands or can work with. Either it works perfectly, or there’s basically no way to figure out exactly what went wrong and how.
I used to do some linux training for new hires at my old job. The company had a training room with a rack of servers for lab work.
It was a training on how to deploy the product on a customer server. I personally wrote the instructions and tested them on the lab machines after a fresh install.
I had others test the lab instructions. I even had people from non-tech roles verify that they too could do the labs by following the instructions.
Still I get a guy in the training complaining that “this doesn’t work” and I can see from the error on his screen that he must have skipped one of the steps in the lab instructions.
He’s not even trying to figure it out. Even though others are finishing, he just decided that it doesn’t work and gave up.
Well, if you’re expecting users to read…
Yeah its a tough crowd sometimes. Especially when doing that training with our customers.
I’ll never forget the time I was explainging how something worked and one of the customers interrupts me saying, “I don’t care about this – can you just show me where to click?”
I’ve done my share of training too. Some people just want recipes. They have no interest in knowing why they’re doing something.
Windows and Mac have taught people to ignore safety error messages. We’re gonna be dealing with the fallout of that for generations.
How is this clown behavior? If anything, not accepting the proposed solution to the issue would be it
This is more like, wisdom of the ancients kind of thing
this is the way. the best way to get linux support is to claim something isnt there or working. instant flood of reply from nerds and adhs ppl… i am not advocating it, but OP is wrong…
It’s not just Linux. Make a statement related to anything with authority where someone can see it, and someone will come along and take the opportunity to be Right on the Internet.
Relevant xkcd: Duty Calls
Ngl, i love linux so much more and would never go back to windows but right now my audio jack doesn’t work for my new pc build.
I’ve contacted the manufacturer of the motherboard, they say to try Windows
I’ve posted on linux questions subreddit, nothing replied
I’ve posted on EndeavourOS forums, got views, not replies.
I’ve gone so into the weeds I’m trying to remap pins because I’m assuming the manufacturer relies on something Windows pre-configures so audio will play but it never makes it out of the port but it’s been weeks and I can’t solve it.
Again, I’d never go back to windows but damn do I feel stranded rn.
Motherboard: Minisforum BD790i X3D OS: endeavouros
Have you tried making a meme about how windows is so much better?
Does it work on Windows?
Because it could just as well be a shitty solder job
Also next time never say you use Linux to a support tech. They will blame it all on linux, whether the pc is broken in half or covered in rat piss, it will always be you who broke it by using unsupported software.
This!
What always has me seeing red is when I’m deep diving forums searching for anyone who has had my exact issue. Finding people with similar, but not exactly the same, issues with easy solutions that don’t work for me. Finally finding one forum post from 9 months ago, it is literally the exact same issue I’m dealing with. One reply. It’s OP a few days/weeks/months later replying to their own post only to say:
Nevermind, I fixed it.
But no solution, no response to commenting on the post or DMing…
Makes me wanna slap a mfr…
From a quick search it seems that the mobo uses a Realtek audio chip, which is probably the actual problem. My current system build uses one and it barely worked under Windows, it’d randomly remap the channels, sometimes it just wouldn’t come up properly (Showed as only a microphone, etc.), had lots of static noise, would constantly think I was unplugging and replugging headphones in, etc. Just a terrible experience compared to the Intel audio system the build before this used.
As much as “just buy another bit of hardware” is an awful bit of advice, I’d recommend getting a USB DAC/soundcard, I bought a cheap soundblaster one and it fixed all my problems. USB audio is a well-defined standardised protocol that’s supported by just about everything, does away with any driver issues or incompatibilities, can be moved between devices, etc. Mine’s a “gaming” model so it’s just a USB port on one side and a headset jack on the other, but you can also get ones with proper inbuilt amplifiers to run full speaker kits, etc.
Does your monitor have speakers, or a headphone jack? Interested to see if the sound works that way. And very silly question, have you tried a different wire/device in the audio jack or only the one?
As always the best way to get a response on the internet is not to ask a question.
The best way is to post a wrong answer.
Classic murphys law.
Yeah? Try playing MYST VR with a quest 2 and Nvidia GPU.
I love Linux, but sometimes I just wanna pin it against the wall and make violent love to it until my issue is fixed. Though usually the love making is more of a frustrating 6 hours of troubleshooting.
BTW, are we allowed to sexualize an OS?
Initial release: September 17, 1991; 33 years ago
Sure
I had really bad performance with an nvidia GPU in VR in Linux, once, and all I could find that described the same specific issue I had was a steam community discussion post by someone who claimed that the steam vr compositor was just bugged, and no less that it was a bug regression, and there was nothing to do but wait for Valve to fix it. I think the post was already a year old when I found it.
I haven’t tried it again, yet, but I’ve also moved to arch with Wayland since then. And the nvidia drivers did become much more reliable for me, so maybe it will magically work out of the box this time… Or maybe it won’t, and I’ll just end up wasting hours trying to find a solution while wading through AI polluted Google searches again before giving up.
quest 2
There’s your problem right there. /s
Then ask why no one has patched this well-known bug after all these years, and get flooded with ‘anyone can contribute’ comments.
But its true
No one is paying these people to contribute to Linux. If someone would bring you donuts every day for free, you wouldn’t start barrading them with comments about how he comes late sometimes.
And if you want that bug to be fixed, pay a software engineer to fix it, out of your own pocket. If they then dont do it, then you can start talking about them being late.
Be grateful for all these people making your computer more than a brick.
Sure, but ‘make your own doughnuts’ isn’t exactly a useful response to that.
No, I’m pretty sure “try volunteering yourself” is a perfectly reasonable response to “why has nobody volunteered to fix this?”
Could you tell me where I said you should just contribute yourself? My grep dosent seem to find it.
I said ‘don’t complain about things people are making in their free time for you to enjoy.’
That was in reference to what you were responding to.
Sure, this applies most of the time. My big rendering workstation and Asus laptop run Mint so flawlessly, I was kicking myself for not trying this sooner. My brand new Dell G16 7630 has been a special kind of hell with over two months of forum diving. The keyboard backlight is being a crackhead. The video drivers are a chaotic mess that I’m wary of updating lest my machine completely freezes/bricks for the ~20th time, necessitating a Timeshift.
So, yeah, Linux is great, but that is not everyone’s experience. For me, it’s only fully usable 66% of the time. I’m still going at it, but those are shitty numbers. We FOSS evangelists need to acknowledge that usability, end-user support, and compatibility are an utter shitshow for the average schmuck. Also, this meme is glowing radioactive evidence of the toxicity undermining the FOSS movement.
When we start taking ownership of all that AND fixing the experience, then we can finally have the Year of Linux on the Desktop. Or we can sit here, say “hurr durr, look at stupid end-user,” and wonder why normies refuse to switch to Linux.
I started using Linux for real this year and your comment couldn’t be more right. Linux community thinks that what is ‘easy’ for them is easy for everyone. “Just go into the terminal and type X” you just lost 95% of Windows users, specially when that command fails because of permissions. Same think happens kn Windows and the person just needs to click allow in that modal. Linux isn’t easy enough yet, but it could be, but first we need to stop denying this problem.
